I'm sorry Jwalker I didn't see this post yesterday so I didn't respond to it.

As I said in my other post, I know what we deserve. We deserve death and hell. The Bible says that plainly. But what we deserve, and what we are worth to God, are two different things. John 3:16 plainly says that He loved us so much he DIED for us. Love is worth. If we love something it has worth and value to us. To God, we are worth the sacrifice. We are worth more than the death we deserve. That is the gospel. We are sinners... we deserve hell... God said no, I'll take your place because you are worth more than that to me... and we tell others about how much they mean to God.

So the whole point I was making was this... it would be more effective to point out to a homosexual that God loves them so much that He thought they were worthy of His sacrifice. Even though they deserve to die.

I did NOT mean that we deserved God's sacrifice. And all the verses in the Bible that you pointed out argue for what we deserve. They do NOT argue what our worth to God is. The simple fact that He loves us shows us what we are worth to Him. You actually proved what I was saying in your post above. Without HIS love, we go to hell. We can't save ourselves.

I think maybe I didn't word my original statement very well. I assumed people would not confuse our worth to God with what we deserve.

As far as me believing in inclusion, the only inclusion I believe in is called out in John 3:16. The "world" in that verse included all sinners. Me you murderers homos all of us. We are all included in that statement. The only difference between me and someone going to hell is Christ. Now of course, sinners who don't accept Christ are still going to hell, so I'm not saying we are all going to heaven. Making Christ Lord of your life separates that.

I hope that clears up what I was saying. Sorry if I confused you, that wasn't my intentions. My intention was to share with you on how to be a better witness to sinners if you get the chance to share the Gospel with a homo.

I dont think were far from believing the same thing. But i do believe it is all about Gods glory. Even Jesus said what he was doing was to glorify the father. I do not believe the plan was made for us, i believe we were made for the plan. The plan existed well before the first human, "before the foundations of the earth". It was all to glorify God. We are just a small part of the plan. Everything in existence was created to glorify God. The focus is not on humans, its on God.

Even Nancy Pelosi said she prayed for Trump everyday. That came about when a reporter asked her why she hated him so much. Do you think that is what made him the best president in history?

Even Nancy Pelosi said she prayed for Trump everyday. That came about when a reporter asked her why she hated him so much. Do you think that is what made him the best president in history?