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Re: New Tracking Rules
[Re: Sasquatch Lives]
#4143661
06/06/24 05:37 PM
06/06/24 05:37 PM
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Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 24,138 Awbarn, AL
CNC
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Dances With Weeds
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Dances With Weeds
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Awbarn, AL
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Maybe people should learn how to shoot. No law needed. You've never shot one that you didnt recover??
We dont rent pigs
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Re: New Tracking Rules
[Re: CNC]
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06/06/24 06:39 PM
06/06/24 06:39 PM
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Joined: Jan 2002
Posts: 4,676 Madison, AL
wmd
10 point
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you need to STFU before Montgomery sticks its nose in and passes rules no one likes. ^^^^^This a hundred times!!!!^^^^^^ Do you mean like saying its illegal for us to dispatch live deer??.....Yeah, I don’t like that and the dog hunters association is trying their best to get folks prosecuted for it….……. So can regular Joe hunter track his wounded deer and kill it at night without fear of repercussions?
Last edited by wmd; 06/06/24 06:39 PM.
"Any way you look at it, most of the problems facing baboons can be expressed in two words: other baboons" - D.L. Cheney and R.M. Seyfarth
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Re: New Tracking Rules
[Re: wmd]
#4143704
06/06/24 06:44 PM
06/06/24 06:44 PM
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Joined: Mar 2018
Posts: 11,019 Northwest Bama
Ridge Life
Booner
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Booner
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Posts: 11,019
Northwest Bama
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you need to STFU before Montgomery sticks its nose in and passes rules no one likes. ^^^^^This a hundred times!!!!^^^^^^ Do you mean like saying its illegal for us to dispatch live deer??.....Yeah, I don’t like that and the dog hunters association is trying their best to get folks prosecuted for it….……. So can regular Joe hunter track his wounded deer and kill it at night without fear of repercussions? Lort yeah
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Re: New Tracking Rules
[Re: CNC]
#4143726
06/06/24 07:05 PM
06/06/24 07:05 PM
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Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 36,919 alabama
BhamFred
Freak of Nature
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Freak of Nature
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Posts: 36,919
alabama
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I really doubt that the Dog Hunters Association swings much weight with Montgomery.
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
proud Cracker-Americaan
muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one
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Re: New Tracking Rules
[Re: BhamFred]
#4143732
06/06/24 07:13 PM
06/06/24 07:13 PM
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Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 17,630 Elmore County
Frankie
Old Mossy Horns
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Old Mossy Horns
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Elmore County
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I really doubt that the Dog Hunters Association swings much weight with Montgomery. i dont know , seems like the ones who are the loudest are the ones that get heard . in this case maybe not but just look around at the other bs .
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Re: New Tracking Rules
[Re: BhamFred]
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06/06/24 07:33 PM
06/06/24 07:33 PM
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Joined: Dec 2022
Posts: 667 Behind some dogs
000buck
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4 point
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Behind some dogs
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I really doubt that the Dog Hunters Association swings much weight with Montgomery. I agree. i think it’s stupid for hunters to compare tracking dogs to hunting dogs. Two completely different things, just like cars and trucks, both are vehicles but totally different. Just how I see it. Which I don’t think anyone has swing In Montgomery, I think that low life pos Chuck, and that wrinkled up old worthless bitch Ivey, just do what they want and slide it under the door to pass it how they see fit. Look at the game laws we have in place now. Look how it’s changed in the last 20 years. And it will continue to get worse for the blue collar hunter, outdoors is all about money now days.
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Re: New Tracking Rules
[Re: Frankie]
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06/06/24 10:19 PM
06/06/24 10:19 PM
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Joined: Sep 2012
Posts: 19,565 North AL
AU338MAG
Old Mossy Horns
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Old Mossy Horns
Joined: Sep 2012
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North AL
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I really doubt that the Dog Hunters Association swings much weight with Montgomery. i dont know , seems like the ones who are the loudest are the ones that get heard . in this case maybe not but just look around at the other bs . They may get heard, but the folks in charge ain't listening.
Last edited by AU338MAG; 06/06/24 10:19 PM.
Dying ain't much of a living boy...Josey Wales
Molon Labe
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Re: New Tracking Rules
[Re: Dano]
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06/07/24 08:33 AM
06/07/24 08:33 AM
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Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 11,056 Central, Al
Bustinbeards
Booner
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Booner
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Posts: 11,056
Central, Al
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you need to STFU before Montgomery sticks its nose in and passes rules no one likes. I've been telling folks this in the tracking community for quite some time. They want to get laws passed to "protect" the trucking world. I laugh and say keep on they will make a dollar if they can. Yep, CNC you better get ready to buy your tracking licenses!
Originally Posted By: Wiley Coyote Well, the way I see it is there's just too many assholes On a good day there's a bunch of assholes in here. On a bad day there's too many assholes in here.
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Re: New Tracking Rules
[Re: CNC]
#4144124
06/07/24 03:09 PM
06/07/24 03:09 PM
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Joined: Jan 2018
Posts: 5,246 Michigan
Sasquatch Lives
12 point
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12 point
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Michigan
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Maybe people should learn how to shoot. No law needed. You've never shot one that you didnt recover?? Only twice in 45 years gun hunting. Recovered the other 70 or 80.lost count. Lost several bowhunting but who hasn't? No dogs allowed on the properties I hunt for any reason.
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Re: New Tracking Rules
[Re: Sasquatch Lives]
#4144125
06/07/24 03:13 PM
06/07/24 03:13 PM
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Joined: Jan 2018
Posts: 5,246 Michigan
Sasquatch Lives
12 point
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12 point
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Michigan
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Maybe people should learn how to shoot. No law needed. You've never shot one that you didnt recover?? Only twice in 45 years gun hunting. Recovered the other 70 or 80.lost count. Lost several bowhunting but who hasn't? No dogs allowed on the properties I hunt for any reason. We will allow neighbors to look for their deer with one of us present but only for a short time either find it or you don't. Lose blood, game.over. had one guy wanting to do a grid search through our sanctuary opening day, no dice pal game over.
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Re: New Tracking Rules
[Re: Sasquatch Lives]
#4144141
06/07/24 03:36 PM
06/07/24 03:36 PM
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Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 24,138 Awbarn, AL
CNC
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Dances With Weeds
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Dances With Weeds
Joined: Jun 2012
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Awbarn, AL
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Maybe people should learn how to shoot. No law needed. You've never shot one that you didnt recover?? Only twice in 45 years gun hunting. Recovered the other 70 or 80.lost count. Lost several bowhunting but who hasn't? No dogs allowed on the properties I hunt for any reason. So you’ve lost 2 out of 80…….which equates to a 2.5% rate of loss…..For the last few seasons we’ve been shooting around 300K deer statewide…..If we apply your rate of loss to that number then that means that there were 7500 unrecovered that someone needed help finding……The idea that people just need to shoot better and there wouldn’t be a need for tracking dogs is false. Yeah, there is definitely some bad shooting but you’re always going to have a certain margin of error occurring that’s just baked into the cake.
Last edited by CNC; 06/07/24 03:37 PM.
We dont rent pigs
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Re: New Tracking Rules
[Re: CNC]
#4144150
06/07/24 03:48 PM
06/07/24 03:48 PM
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Joined: Apr 2016
Posts: 1,827 Elmore County
treemydog
8 point
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8 point
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Elmore County
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If we apply your rate of loss to that number then that means that there were 7500 unrecovered that someone needed help finding…… Wonder how many of the hypothetical 7500 were just nicked or weren't mortally wounded?
You gonna pull them pistols, or whistle Dixie?
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Re: New Tracking Rules
[Re: CNC]
#4144178
06/07/24 04:25 PM
06/07/24 04:25 PM
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Joined: Sep 2001
Posts: 993 AL
jhardy
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6 point
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Posts: 993
AL
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I have only had a good experience. Copper put a good one on the tailgate that was gut shot that I would not have found. I appreciate the dog handler and dogs. I also like dog hunting. I wish there were more opportunities for all and not be over regulated. Dang sure don’t need more regs. Now hush.
Last edited by jhardy; 06/07/24 04:26 PM.
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Re: New Tracking Rules
[Re: treemydog]
#4144184
06/07/24 04:35 PM
06/07/24 04:35 PM
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Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 24,138 Awbarn, AL
CNC
OP
Dances With Weeds
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Dances With Weeds
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 24,138
Awbarn, AL
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If we apply your rate of loss to that number then that means that there were 7500 unrecovered that someone needed help finding…… Wonder how many of the hypothetical 7500 were just nicked or weren't mortally wounded? Most experienced trackers run about a 60% recovery rate give or take……So about 40% of calls are determined to be non-fatal or unrecoverable……Something to consider about 7500 number is that 2.5% loss is likely REALLY low compared to what’s actually occurring…..I was just using it as example to show that even at a low rate it equates to quite a few deer being unrecovered. I would imagine the real number is closer to 10% or maybe even more. Just to give the shooting numbers a little more context…..Probably 1/3 of all the tracks I go on are for kids under the age of 16……..I recovered around dozen deer last year that were kids first deer.
We dont rent pigs
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Re: New Tracking Rules
[Re: CNC]
#4144185
06/07/24 04:35 PM
06/07/24 04:35 PM
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Joined: Jan 2018
Posts: 5,246 Michigan
Sasquatch Lives
12 point
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12 point
Joined: Jan 2018
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Michigan
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Maybe people should learn how to shoot. No law needed. You've never shot one that you didnt recover?? Only twice in 45 years gun hunting. Recovered the other 70 or 80.lost count. Lost several bowhunting but who hasn't? No dogs allowed on the properties I hunt for any reason. So you’ve lost 2 out of 80…….which equates to a 2.5% rate of loss…..For the last few seasons we’ve been shooting around 300K deer statewide…..If we apply your rate of loss to that number then that means that there were 7500 unrecovered that someone needed help finding……The idea that people just need to shoot better and there wouldn’t be a need for tracking dogs is false. Yeah, there is definitely some bad shooting but you’re always going to have a certain margin of error occurring that’s just baked into the cake. No guarantee a dog would have found any of those either. We put too much time and money and effort into property to have it ruined because the neighbor didn't put in his time at the range or learn basic shot placement and tracking skills.
Last edited by Sasquatch Lives; 06/07/24 04:36 PM.
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