I'm genuinely curious if you are Protestant and do you believe there was clear warrant for the Protestant Reformation?

Baptism (1256) - "The ordinary ministers of Baptism are the bishop and priest and, in the Latin Church, also the deacon. In case of necessity, anyone, even a non-baptized person, with the required intention, can baptize, by using the Trinitarian baptismal formula. The intention required is to will to do what the Church does when she baptizes. The Church finds the reason for this possibility in the universal saving will of God and the necessity of Baptism for salvation".

The sacraments (1129) - "The Church affirms that for believers the sacraments of the New Covenant are necessary for salvation. "Sacramental grace" is the grace of the Holy Spirit, given by Christ and proper to each sacrament. The Spirit heals and transforms those who receive him by conforming them to the Son of God. The fruit of the sacramental life is that the Spirit of adoption makes the faithful partakers in the divine nature by uniting them in a living union with the only Son, the Savior."

The Mass (1405) - "There is no surer pledge or dearer sign of this great hope in the new heavens and new earth "in which righteousness dwells," than the Eucharist. Every time this mystery is celebrated, "the work of our redemption is carried on" and we "break the one bread that provides the medicine of immortality, the antidote for death, and the food that makes us live for ever in Jesus Christ."

Purgatory (1030) - "All who die in God's grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation; but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven."

Law keeping (2068) - "The Council of Trent teaches that the Ten Commandments are obligatory for Christians and that the justified man is still bound to keep them; the Second Vatican Council confirms: "The bishops, successors of the apostles, receive from the Lord . . . the mission of teaching all peoples, and of preaching the Gospel to every creature, so that all men may attain salvation through faith, Baptism and the observance of the Commandments."

Indulgences (1498) - "Through indulgences the faithful can obtain the remission of temporal punishment resulting from sin for themselves and also for the souls in Purgatory."

Good works (2016) - " The children of our holy mother the Church rightly hope for the grace of final perseverance and the recompense of God their Father for the good works accomplished with his grace in communion with Jesus. Keeping the same rule of life, believers share the "blessed hope" of those whom the divine mercy gathers into the "holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband."

Can you affirm any of these through scripture?

"The Roman Catholic Church teaches that one must have good works and observe the rituals of Roman Catholicism in order to be saved."
https://www.gotquestions.org/are-Catholics-saved.html

Mark…. Have you read any of the scripture I have attached? You just keep saying the same thing over and over after I answer some of your questions and provide a lot of biblical support.

Question for you is why is the baptism one wrong? It says baptize using the tributarían form? That’s what baptists use too?

What is wrong with keeping the Ten Commandments? Catholics follow the moral teachings of God in the ten commandants just as Christ did. This isn’t referring to follow all the laws of the old covenant that were for the Jews.

The mass is believed to be the eternal once and for all sacrifice on Calvary represented every Sunday. Since Christ is the new Passover lamb, they do it in remembrance of Him as Christ said to do at the last supper. Now Catholics believe Christ is present in the Holy Communion based on the the verses at the last supper as well as earlier in John where Christ says: John 6:53-58 (New King James Version - NKJV):

53 Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 For My flesh is food indeed, and My blood is drink indeed. 56 He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who feeds on Me will live because of Me. 58 This is the bread which came down from heaven—not as your fathers ate the manna, and are dead. He who eats this bread will live forever.”

For the record Martin Luther also believed in the real presence just in a different way. Orthodox also believe in real presence as well as Anglicans

What’s wrong with works by grace? Catholics believe that grace is God working through them so it is not their own merit but Gods?


Purgatory and Indulgences I’ll have to get back to you on bc it requires describing certain terms.


If you can respond to anything I have said above to state that would be great.


You haven’t directly responded or refuted a single verse I supplied. You’re just keep regurgitating the same question.

Here is my dumb redneck take on it...

You can't have faith without works. If I believe that my parachute will open, but I never jump out of the plane, do I really believe it or do I just want to believe it. Faith in God is the same way. Christianity boils down to unselfishness. If I believe God is going to take care of me and meet my needs, but I always look out for myself and put my best interests first, do I really believe that? True works are sacrifices of unselfishness that we make that proves that we have faith. It is our faith in action. It is us living out our faith. It is the example that God uses to draw others near to Him. And it is always done in love. But that faith comes from God. It comes from his Holy Spirit guiding throughout our day and our lives. It urges us and tells us how to live out our faith.

Makes sense to me Pwyse!

1. You never responded to my very first question about if you believe there was clear warrant for the Protestant Reformation?

2. "Question for you is why is the baptism one wrong?" - To say that baptism is necessary for salvation is to say we must add our own good works. Christ's death COMPLETELY justified us for our sins, through faith, that God provides. (Romans 5:8, 2 Corinthians 5:21) Abraham was credited as "righteous" without baptism.

3. Holy Communion (1129) and Mass (1405) are specifically called out as "required for salvation". Not my words....theirs. Again, there is zero biblical support for this. The Catholic Church considers these mortal sins. Your reference to John 6 is not about literal act of communion being required, but is truly about dying to self and taking on Christ (Galatians 2:20). Context matters. "To prevent being misconstrued, Jesus specifies that He has been speaking metaphorically: “The Spirit gives life; the flesh counts for nothing. The words I have spoken to you—they are full of the Spirit and life” (John 6:63). https://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-eat-flesh-drink-blood.html

4. What’s wrong with works by grace? Works ARE NOT the root of salvation but ARE the resulting fruit of salvation. Works WILL occur if one has been genuinely converted (James 2:18-19) All of the aforementioned RCCs are listed by the Catholic Church as works leading to salvation.

Study up on indulgences replacing genuine repentance and praying people from purgatory into heaven. At this point the conversation is no longer fruitful. I don't feel like you're listening or willing to concede on anything. Carry on.

Jesus told John, " to fulfill all righteousness" Can be found in Matthew 3, 13-17. The quote is in 15.

Marks I agree with you there. Works do not lead up to salvation. True works, works that occur from being obedient to the spirit, can only come after faith in Christ.

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