Not "assuming" anything.

You're the one who said deer have been released all over the state. You're the one who said they have been approved by 'the state' when the DCNR says they weren't contacted.

That is what they claim. Call them and ask if you don't believe it. Or would you rather argue on the internet than get the truth about the subject?

Can somebody show me a study or research that proves this won't work? Once upon a time a lot of people thought the earth was flat. Just sayin.

Not a genetics expert, I'm thinking unless these people release several cattle trailer loads of bucks with "huge buck genes", in no time the huge genes will be mixed with native genes and become a non-factor. If this has been going on for 15 plus years, show us where it works. Where are all these free range Alabama super bucks?
I think these folks $ would be better spent on habitat improvements and raising the age structure, if they haven't already. All the super buck genes in the world not gonna help if they don't get the quaility food, and live to 4.5 +.

There are NO places in ALabama where the property was "repopulated" with pen-raised quail. They may have been "populated" for a few months but it does not result in a a self-sustaining population.

what deer from breeder facilities are released in the wild? That's the first I've ever heard of that.

took the words out of my mouth. My brother in law has a pretty large tract of land in Marengo Co. so I am somewhat familiar with the area and I have never heard of this....

so was the "daddy" "huge" just b/c he came from a state with a different name or was he huge because the land he came from had very fertile soil and row crops (mid west), was he huge b/c he was bottle fed, fed protein pellets every day and pampered like a pet bull or was he "huge" b/c of his genetics, or was he "huge b/c of all of the above?

Have you considered that you could probably take 100 bucks fawns from Alabama and release them in the midwest and they would score 10-20" more than if they had stayed in Al.? Nutrition (soil) and age is the missing link, not genetics. What research has big buck project done to prove that the genetics aren't here for "trophy bucks" in Alabama?

You are either misinformed or a liar. And I strongly suspect the second. The evidence that deer farming and "breeder farms" are spreading disease, especially CWD is clear. And once an area has CWD introduced into it, it is there forever, is untreatable, and always fatal.




That will be interesting to read. Considering the QDMA was created and run by deer biologists, and is the largest contingent of deer biologists in the country, I will be interested to read who disagrees with solid science and why.

http://www.fieldandstream.com/blogs/whitetail-365/2012/10/alabama%E2%80%99s-big-buck-project-delusional%E2%80%94maybe-dangerous


IDK if that has been posted but I just found it figured I would share

I bet there will be a live animal test before long. It will be interesting to see what happens to animal movement regulations when/if one is developed.

All you have to do is call the state and request the information. All state breeders have to verify with the state anytime they move or release a deer. I know several landowners personally who do this on a yearly basis and have been doing so for many years. I have personally witnessed deer being released.

A couple of things need to be clarified.
1.) Gary Moody said they had not been contacted, actually the DNCR was contacted about the project.
2.) All reputable biologist and deer experts agree Genetics are a important factor in growing large antlers. I study and raise deer every day and in my opinion Genetics are #1 factor in what a deer is going to have on his head, followed by nutrition, then age, in that order. Don't believe the misinformation that is the soil or poor management of the landowner, those are important but not the only answer.
3.) BSK, be careful of calling someone a liar. www.cwdmyths.com
A.) Many scientists and biologist are now questioning some biologist and organizations witch-hunt of our industry, because of the numerous CWD cases in the wild and the numerous cases where there are no breeder farms in the entire state or the area where it was found.
B.) "Blaming CWD on deer farming is either dishonest or ignorant. Maryland, New Mexico, Virginia and Wyoming all have documented cases of CWD, yet none of these states have a farmed elk or deer industry.
North Dakota and West Virginia have found CWD in the wild, while their farmed industry has tested thousands of animals, and all have been negative.
The simple truth is that farmed deer are tested, monitored and documented more heavily and frequently than wild deer, so it makes sense that, if the disease exists, we will find it more often where we test. But because we find it there doesn’t mean the disease is more prevalent there, it just means our testing and management controls are better there. To reach any other conclusion is simply lazy junk science or it’s intentional misinformation."
C.) Is CWD really always fatal as some have claimed?
CWD is not the massive contagion that some claim it to be. In fact, there has never been one documented case of a herd (wild or farmed) being lost due to a so-called “contagion” of CWD.
Some ‘experts’ have publicly promoted a theory that CWD would cause widespread depopulation of deer and other cervids within 10 to 20 years. However, there is simply is no evidence to support this theory. Actually, quite the opposite is true.
Evidence suggests that CWD routinely effects around 0.05 percent or less of the cervid population, and that cervids are in no catastrophic danger from CWD.
For example, the Colorado Division of Wildlife identified CWD in a wild elk in 1981, marking the first documented case of CWD in a wild cervid. If the above theory were true, CWD — as a highly infectious and uncontrollable disease unchecked in the wild — would certainly have wiped out all the elk in Colorado…right?
The facts tell a different story. The Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation reports that Colorado’s elk population grew 50% to 70% larger from 1984 to 2009.
So, after 30 years since the first case of CWD was found, the elk herd in Colorado is as still as strong and healthy as ever.
The truth is that CWD has never wiped out a herd of deer or other cervid. The only destruction of herds, when it comes to CWD, has been state quarantine policies. Wildlife authorities in many states routinely kill hundreds of animals as part of their quarantine practices. If one deer or elk is found with the disease, they kill hundreds of animals and they usually find they were all perfectly healthy.
CWD has never had a negative impact on a deer population. In fact, the areas with no hunting, such as national parks, typically have the largest infection rates.

Here a clip from CWDmyths.com
http://youtu.be/vJmYPWJlpes

I hope 49er reads the article on your link. The evil QDMA worrying about nothing other than the score on a bucks rack........

Dream Buck, aren't you a member of the CAB? If you aren't then your brother is. Which is it?

I think it's really irresponsible of you as a deer breeder to push your personal objective when you hold a position on the board as you. You guys play Dr Frankenstein with the deer in your fences and leave the free range deer, free range. There is not enough science to PROVE that there will be no damage to the wild deer herd. The burden of PROOF must be the deer breeders responsibility.

What you guys are trying to do is dangerous, lacks judgement and most importantly isn't supported by science. I promise you this, if you continue to use your appointed position to push your personal objective, I'll start a statewide campaign to have you removed from the board. I'm sure Senator Scofield appreciated your families contributions to his campaign, but you aren't the only family in Marshall county to have any political influence.

Fur Flying,

I don't serve on the CAB, therefore your comments are irrelevant.

Dr. Ditckoff quote related to the science issue you address:
"Wildlife biologists and managers have been transporting and releasing wildlife species as part of repopulation efforts or hunting programs for more than 100 years. These releases continue to this day with a multitude of species that include quail, pheasants, and multiple gamebird species, waterfowl, fish, and many others, in addition to white-tailed deer.”

Also the quotes are from Dr. Ditckoff were from questions asked about this specific issue and not taken out of context.
Thanks

Then your brother does?

Dumbest thing I've ever heard of. Folks that think this will work have been duped. Before I get questioned on my creditials, I've got a Biomedical Sciences degree from Auburn, took extra coursework in genetics, and have hunted extensively in 2 seperate high-fenced facilities, one with breeder pens, one with pure native deer.

I can tell you that the genetics in Alabama already exist. In the high-fence with native deer, 5 years after the fence was up we had 150 inch deer. This was due to an intensive food-plot program that included up to 30 acres of soybeans and corn a year. Oh, and NOT SHOOTING YOUNG DEER. We have passed on so many 130-140 inch deer that it isn't even funny. We have also had to pass on 150 inch deer to see if they would get bigger. Some did and some didn't. Largest scored deer so far- 171 inches. Larges weight- 262 lbs. THESE ARE NATIVE GENETIC ALABAMA DEER. Bottom line, the genetics exist. The trigger control and the nutrition DO NOT in the vast majority of the state. In the areas where both do, you see folks consistently killing big deer.

In the wild?