They were about to rob that Popeyes then their grandma pulled over in that Kia and told them to bring they ass back home

Here is what Google A.I. says which is in agreement with how I believe RAS has to he applied.





Reasonable articulable suspicion (RAS) is a legal standard in law enforcement that allows officers to briefly detain and investigate individuals based on a specific and justifiable belief that they may be involved in criminal activity, falling below the higher standard of probable cause needed for arrest or search warrants.
Key elements of RAS:
Specific, articulable facts:
Officers must rely on concrete, observable facts, not just hunches or general suspicions, to support their suspicion.
Reasonable inferences:
These facts must be combined with logical and reasonable inferences drawn from them, leading to a suspicion of criminal activity.
Objective assessment:
The suspicion must be based on an objective evaluation of the situation, not just personal biases or assumptions.
Articulation:
Officers must be able to clearly explain and justify the specific facts and inferences that led them to their suspicion.

It is specific. High crime area, dude HOLDING a long gun, ski mask in August. That definitely meets the requirements of reasonable suspicion.

That stretch always has something going on. I used to drive through there 3 times a week taking tomatoes to Birmingham. Back when they had a bunch of roadwork going on around the hospital I sat there and watched a guy try to run over another guy in the diplomat inn parking lot. The guy on foot had a shovel and would jump out of the way and hit the car with that scoop as hard as he could. This was in the morning broad daylight

Not according to the Google AI definition I posted above . Now that might be incorrect as some A.I answers tend to be incorrect but the A I. definition is exactly as I understood it to be before I googled it. I have a really tough time giving officers leniency when it comes to constitutional rights because I've seen so many eager to violate them.

Well just because you can doesn’t mean you should. Innocent until proven guilty?

Jawbone I’ve alway respected you opinion on these threads and I appreciate your knowledge on the subject
Now to answer your question
Skin tone has nothing to do with it
High crime area, firearm in hand, wearing a mask in August ?
The appearance of this alone is Brandishing and or menacing but at the very least merits to be questioned by Leo
I can walk around with an AR on a single point sling and its legal
I can walk around with a bolt rifle or shotgun slung across my shoulder and its legal
The question of him having the firearm isn’t the issue

Jawbone what would you have done ?

Long gun ?

It’s like voting, idiots get too do that also.

How many rounds do you think that thing can shoot before jamming? I'm edu-guessing he has a mixed bag of random brand rounds in that thing, so I bet he gets to about the 3rd round before it jams up.

This^^^^^^^^^^^^

But, how LONG does he have to stand there for it to be loitering? Maybe he stopped to rest for a minute.

Ol' Grandma 😄

I was teaching a class at Faulkner during all the hype about Racial Profiling. One evening I presented a scenario to the class of a car of White kids spotted in a known area for drug purchases. I asked if the police have a reason to stop them. Almost all of the Black Students, and these were adult professionals, said yes, they don't belong there and they are going to get hurt. A class or two before this I presented a scenario of a Black kid walking through a White neighborhood. Most agreed that stopping him would be Racial Profiling. When I pointed out the hypocrisy of their viewpoints, I got a lot of positive feedback. The bottom line is that there is a very fine line between Racial Profiling and doing your job, as a police officer. The real answer in that lies in the ability to articulate why something is suspicious.

In the pictured scenario, I would expect a Terry Stop from my officers. That particular area is a very high crime area and close to where several gangs claim territory. The mask adds to the suspicion that a crime may be about to be committed. A reasonable person could come to that conclusion very easily. You have demeanor (armed with an Assault type of weapon) with no apparent sporting reason for it, the mask in an attempt to hide the identity, and geography (very high crime area), which a totality of the circumstances would lead to Reasonable Suspicion. It is certainly worth stopping and asking.

The more I think about it the more I think you may be right. While the bar to arrest is much higher the bar to detain to briefly investigate is much lower. The thing that makes me think you're right is I know it's legal to stop and question, for example, someone with a crow bar lurking around an area known for break ins. I was thinking RAS had to relate to a specific crime but I think there may be a little more leniency for law enforcement to initiate a stop.

Why the "assault type" comment? I know i'm nit picking...but this is what 2A advocates are fighting. What if he were carrying a mini-14? A 10-22? A nylon 66...are those assault type weapons? They'll all make a hole in something. But the trigger puller is the one assaulting, not the rifle.

I knew someone would comment on that. I guess I should have typed out "What the general public considers to be called an Assault type weapon", but I figured most on here would be able to get it anyways.

Not far from that same spot and maybe even the same day-time. I was at the Z-tech on 331 and Snowdoun. A sheriff was talking to a mid-aged black fella who was in full heat stroke mode cause he had walked from Highland Home in the dead heat with not even a hat or a water bottle. That guy was known to them and is harmless but has a mental retardation issue. He almost froze himself to death doing the same thing January. I helped the sheriff load some ice in bags for the guy and he got a trip to Baptist Hospital right across from where this picture was taken at maybe even the same time.

so its suspicious to have a gun in a high crime area? Seems like that'd be the norm. Would you be alright with the cops handcuffing, searching and questioning you, your wife or kid, because they're carrying or acting suspicious. I'm not.