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Re: 6mm creedmoor [Re: EddieS] #4191569
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like most post op talking about buying a first gun for the his kid . no body buy a kid a gun that will do for now and meant to last forever .

went back and found this . short read .





https://realtree.com/4-Deer-Guns-th...e%20for%20recoil%2Dsensitive%20shooters.

Re: 6mm creedmoor [Re: treemydog] #4191578
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Originally Posted by treemydog
Originally Posted by Frankie

The 30-30 has been priced out as a first gun . cheaper ways to go . Singlr shot 350 legend took its place, thats the way id go or a 243 .


There's alot of truth to this, for sure, unless you want that first one to be an heirloom. If you just want an inexpensive black/syn bolt gun or single shot, there are way better (less expensive) options.

If you could find something like a CVA stalker single in 30-30 ... and handload some pointed 30 cal pills for it, now that would be an eyebrow raiser.





i think what people do and they dont realize it is they want to put the most gun they can find in a young hunters hands .

imo , the only gun you could get a kid to hunt with and it be truly useful the rest of his life now is a AR 300bo. thats the life time gun i would buy a 9 year that was under my watch .

Re: 6mm creedmoor [Re: Frankie] #4191584
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Originally Posted by Frankie
Originally Posted by twaldrop4
243 is a fine deer rifle if you need more caliber than that youre just a bad shot.



Now thats bs . A 243 is ok if you wanna be waiting on the right shot they fine . I don't like to wait . I'm not watching a nice buck walk off because of bad angle .

Being a good shot has nothing to do with that .


The 30-30 has been priced out as a first gun . cheaper ways to go . Singlr shot 350 legend took its place, thats the way id go or a 243 .



I ain’t letting a buck walk off either. Put a Barnes 85 grain in that 243 and shoot em any which way you want to. Bang flop

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Re: 6mm creedmoor [Re: twaldrop4] #4191590
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Originally Posted by twaldrop4
Originally Posted by Frankie
Originally Posted by twaldrop4
243 is a fine deer rifle if you need more caliber than that youre just a bad shot.



Now thats bs . A 243 is ok if you wanna be waiting on the right shot they fine . I don't like to wait . I'm not watching a nice buck walk off because of bad angle .

Being a good shot has nothing to do with that .


The 30-30 has been priced out as a first gun . cheaper ways to go . Singlr shot 350 legend took its place, thats the way id go or a 243 .



I ain’t letting a buck walk off either. Put a Barnes 85 grain in that 243 and shoot em any which way you want to. Bang flop



ok

Re: 6mm creedmoor [Re: EddieS] #4191715
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For a young man, 243 all day and twice on Sunday. I started with a 30-30, moved to a 30-06 and 270’s. Then spent years with .300win and 300RUM. Then after many dead deer I realized there was no magic or artillery needed to kill deer. They’re not nearly as large in reality as they are in our minds. After burning 98gr of powder a pop for a few years I decided to do a .243 build. I’ve now been shooting it almost exclusively for the past 12 years using / loading Nosler partitions in all 3 available weights. I have shot the Barnes as well but prefer the partitions personally. In my experience, which includes some of my best bucks, it lacks absolutely nothing. Hard quartering shots have never been an issue and there’s two holes 99% of the time (I had one that didn’t exit). Broadside is dead at shot or down within sight. I absolutely trust it 100%. I’m 54 now and find that recoil, muzzle blast and lethality are all at very desirable levels. These statements aren’t rehashed from an article or forum I read. I had enough interest to have a nice .243 built and proceeded to gain hands-on experience. Should you get a 6creed, same results will be found. I also have a 35whelen and a 30-06. They watch the .243 get to go hunting now days.

Re: 6mm creedmoor [Re: EddieS] #4191726
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dawgdr gets it. It's about bullet construction in the lighter calibers. A well placed partition in a 243 will get the job done all day long on any whitetail that walks. They aren't Cape Buffalo or Grizzly Bears. They are deer.

Re: 6mm creedmoor [Re: EddieS] #4191800
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Bayli is 19yrs old now and she is still shooting her “little” Ruger American compact .243. No problems with the 100gr interlocks. They kill just fine.


It's hard to kiss the lips at night that chews your a$$ all day long.


Re: 6mm creedmoor [Re: EddieS] #4192030
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Nice , means yall aint buying up my 7mag and 35 Whelen ammo and I won't be buying 243

Re: 6mm creedmoor [Re: EddieS] #4193217
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.243 is a fine round for a young person. I however went the route of thinking that my boys would feel like wanting a larger caliber and then those guns would collect dust. Therefore, I bought my oldest a .7-08. Then I bought my younger son a .308. Then my daughter a .308. They started killing there first deer around 8 years old. I never used the reduced recoil loads and never did I or they feel that the recoil was too much. They loved shooting their rifles! On my oldest son’s first trip to Texas, he used my .300wbymag and killed a monster. That Christmas, he wanted a .300 mag but I sold him on the idea of it being a win mag rather than a wbymag. Once he got that gun, he never picked up that .7-08 again. Like I said before, nothing wrong with a .243 but I am of the school of thought that they will want a larger caliber and you can easily start them off with a .260, 6.5 creed, .7-08, or .308 without any issues.


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Re: 6mm creedmoor [Re: EddieS] #4194669
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Y'all are wrong. What is actually "wrong" with a .243 is that it's a varmint round. You are sitting here talking about how it's a good deer rifle when you have MAX'ed out the gun with a 100 grain?

WTH is that?

A .243 won't kill a deer any more dead than a .223. Why not use a .223 then? Better yet... Why don't you just bow hunt at the bottom of your rabbit hole. You can kill one with a stick they do it all the time. You're right.... you don't need a .300 Win Mag at all. That is 100% factual and accurate.

None of it makes any sense. Why would you not want a rifle caliber that is more capable and far more versatile down the road? I don't understand how that argument can be denied. It doesn't matter if you don't "think" you'll need it because you'll never hunt anything other than a scrawny 100lb AL whitetail and most likely a doe at that...... When you go to Illinois on a hunt.... would you honestly make the choice to take a pea shooter with you?.... knowing a trophy of a lifetime might appear at any moment?

Maybe you would. Hail with that from my chair. That's either or both a lack of common sense or an lack of fundamental understanding of rifle cartridges and ballistics.

Final Answer = A grown ass man should not be hunting deer with a .243. Why? Because there is absolutely ZERO reason to be shooting it. No legitimate argument can be made that it is a "better" choice than at least 6 other options. Because facts matter.



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Re: 6mm creedmoor [Re: EddieS] #4194676
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Even Google Knows better and there probably isn't a single a-hole up there that hunts but somehow a computer nerd knows more than some here the round was designed for Varmint hunting:



People also ask

What was the 243 designed for?

varmint

243 was introduced by Winchester in 1955 along with its Model 70 bolt-action rifle, and was created by necking down the . 308/7.62mm case to 6mm/. 243. It was essentially designed as a 'varmint' (small vermin such as prairie dogs) round, propelling light, 55gr bullets at high velocities, often in excess of 4,000fps.


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Re: 6mm creedmoor [Re: EddieS] #4194688
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You need to point to the spot on the doll where the 243 hurt you. rofl

Re: 6mm creedmoor [Re: Goatkiller] #4194692
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Originally Posted by Goatkiller
Even Google Knows better and there probably isn't a single a-hole up there that hunts but somehow a computer nerd knows more than some here the round was designed for Varmint hunting:



People also ask

What was the 243 designed for?

varmint

243 was introduced by Winchester in 1955 along with its Model 70 bolt-action rifle, and was created by necking down the . 308/7.62mm case to 6mm/. 243. It was essentially designed as a 'varmint' (small vermin such as prairie dogs) round, propelling light, 55gr bullets at high velocities, often in excess of 4,000fps.


Little man needs a hug this morning…. And since you like Google so much

“The .243 Winchester (6×52mm) is a popular sporting rifle cartridge. Developed as a versatile short action cartridge to hunt both medium game and small game alike, it "took whitetail hunting by storm" when introduced in 1955, and remains one of the most popular whitetail deer cartridges. It is also commonly used for harvesting blacktail deer, pronghorns and mule deer with heavier rounds, and is equally suited to varmint hunting with lighter rounds. The .243 is based on a necked down .308 Winchester, introduced only three years earlier. Expanding monolithic copper bullets of approximately 80 to 85 grains or traditional lead rounds of 90 to 105 grains with controlled expansion designs are best suited for hunting medium game, while lighter rounds are intended for varmints.”

Let it go. Let it go. Let it go.


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Re: 6mm creedmoor [Re: EddieS] #4194703
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I killed a 220 pound 8 point last year with a 223 and 77 grain TMK handloads. 🤷‍♂️


83% of all statistics are made up.

Re: 6mm creedmoor [Re: N2TRKYS] #4194716
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Originally Posted by N2TRKYS
I killed a 220 pound 8 point last year with a 223 and 77 grain TMK handloads. 🤷‍♂️



I've killed several 500lb steers with a 22. Lol

Re: 6mm creedmoor [Re: EddieS] #4194720
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Goatkiller, if thats what they wanna use let them have at it . Never be my go to though.

Re: 6mm creedmoor [Re: Frankie] #4194733
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Originally Posted by Frankie
Originally Posted by N2TRKYS
I killed a 220 pound 8 point last year with a 223 and 77 grain TMK handloads. 🤷‍♂️



I've killed several 500lb steers with a 22. Lol




Yeah, cause that’s totally the same. 🤦‍♂️


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Re: 6mm creedmoor [Re: Goatkiller] #4194770
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Originally Posted by Goatkiller
If they can't handle a 30-30 they aren't ready. If they are recoil shy they need to shoot more. My daughter shoots a 7-08.

It's a really stupid argument and even worse to teach someone to go into the woods under-gunned with a dam pea shooter. That's setting them up for a lifetime of misery looking for wounded animals. Some of this is ethics IMO.


There is literally ZERO reason to shoot .243.


The only reason NOT to shoot is 243 is b/c you have a 6mm creedmoor. One main advantage of a factory 6 creed is the faster twist barrel which stabilizes heavier bullets and factory match ammo is also readily available.

I’ve only killed around 200 deer with a rifle with everything from a 300 WSM down to a 223. My “experience” (not someone’s opinion) has shown that deer die just as quickly from a high velocity 6mm bullet than from anything else. Actually using 88gr Hammer Hunter bullets @3300 fps, deer die quicker than anything else I’ve ever shot them with. Sometimes they drop at the shot even when the central nervous isn’t directly hit. The shockwave created by high velocity bullets is absolutely devastating.

Over the past 4 yrs I’ve exclusively used a 6 creed to hunt with and have killed 41 deer from point blank range to 445 yards. None have escaped b/c I was “under gunned”.

In fact way less deer would be missed and/or crippled each season if everyone was shooting a 243 and would shoot 4 boxes of ammo prior to each season, instead of using the latest whiz bang magnum and only checking zero with 2 shots b/c it hurts to shoot it and the ammo is so expensive.

BUY THE 6 CREED

For the OP-

http://www.aldeer.com/forum/ubbthre...in=212267&Number=3002653#Post3002653

http://www.aldeer.com/forum/ubbthre...in=209142&Number=2948154#Post2948154

http://www.aldeer.com/forum/ubbthre...in=247874&Number=3535657#Post3535657

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Re: 6mm creedmoor [Re: EddieS] #4194795
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Lol yeah , ain't a story or tell to be told that'll change my mind that a 243 is a good deer round . Oh yeah it'll kill a deer .
But over the years there's been many times I was glad I wasn't hunting with a 243 .


Any thing under 150 yards ill take a 30-30 any thing past that id want a 270 (i perfer the 7mag). Nothing fancy about them two calibers. Ammo cheap and easy to find and they do the job . Almost any body can shoot them .


Fast bullet do this fast bullet do that. Yeah if you can put it the right spot they'll drop them like a rock. I don't like waiting on the right spot !!!!!



I agree with Goatkiller if you can shoot a better round you should. Hell my sister shoots a Browning 7mag. Two old women I used to dog hunt with used slugs in 16ga . Just no good reason to stay with a 243. IMO

Re: 6mm creedmoor [Re: EddieS] #4194815
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