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Re: GA shooter father charged - Chicago parents? [Re: deadeye48] #4192058
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Originally Posted by deadeye48
How did the14 year old get to school with a AR
Who drove him there ?


Now that’s a good question. If it was the dad, I take back my previous post and think they should charge him criminally.

Re: GA shooter father charged - Chicago parents? [Re: Beer Belly] #4192062
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From the video I saw earlier of the father. It looks like the father is a bad sorry drunk and probably some other drugs too. He was shaking and rocking in the courtroom. Classic withdrawal symptoms combined with all the anxiety from the situation. I bet they got a medical/suicide note in his handling orders.


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Re: GA shooter father charged - Chicago parents? [Re: Beer Belly] #4192068
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Father is a POS but have yall not read anything about the mother another POS!. they have two other kids, pray they get some help! they would fight and lock the kids out in the yard!! how can you not expect them not to be messed up!

Re: GA shooter father charged - Chicago parents? [Re: whack-n-stack] #4192081
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Originally Posted by whack-n-stack
Originally Posted by deadeye48
How did the14 year old get to school with a AR
Who drove him there ?


Now that’s a good question. If it was the dad, I take back my previous post and think they should charge him criminally.

Took it in a guitar case

Re: GA shooter father charged - Chicago parents? [Re: Beer Belly] #4192101
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Parents give their kid a car for his 16th birthday

Kid has a wreck and kills someone.

Charge the parents?


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Re: GA shooter father charged - Chicago parents? [Re: 3bailey3] #4192106
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Originally Posted by 3bailey3
Father is a POS but have yall not read anything about the mother another POS!. they have two other kids, pray they get some help! they would fight and lock the kids out in the yard!! how can you not expect them not to be messed up!



That’s a dime a dozen these days.

You all might be surprised how kids are in the system


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Re: GA shooter father charged - Chicago parents? [Re: AU338MAG] #4192112
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Originally Posted by AU338MAG
Parents give their kid a car for his 16th birthday

Kid has a wreck and kills someone.

Charge the parents?


Did the kid make threats to ram into other folks driving with said car? That’s the key in this whole case. The kid made threats that he would shoot up a school. Father proceeds to buy the kid an AR after the local sheriff’s office made him aware that his kid made threats. Kid then proceeds to follow through on those threats with the gun his father bought him. Yeah, it’s not even close to a comparison. Father should be charged with criminal negligence. The murder charges are too far but they want him to plead guilty so that’s what most DA’s will do. Father likely can’t afford a good attorney so he is screwed either way. He’ll take a plea deal and do 10-15 years, kid will probably get life without parole.

Re: GA shooter father charged - Chicago parents? [Re: 3bailey3] #4192113
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Originally Posted by 3bailey3
Father is a POS but have yall not read anything about the mother another POS!. they have two other kids, pray they get some help! they would fight and lock the kids out in the yard!! how can you not expect them not to be messed up!


Sure a kid might have some issues if their parents locked them outside while fighting, but that don't mean they are liable for their kid murdering someone. At 14 you know what's allowed and what's not allowed.

I don't like charging the parents with murder. Maybe some form of a lessor charge. Every situation could be so different. I know I wouldn't have allowed the kid to have access to a gun with his past, but parents want to believe in their kids. I'm sure he had convinced his dad that the prior threats were meaningless and blown out of proportion. And it's easy as a parent to believe your kid when they tell you stuff. Not everyone is as skeptical of their kids as I am lol.

What if a kid had been caught drinking before, and a year later his parents buy him a car and he gets drunk and kills someone? Charge the parents with murder?

Or to compare it with this case, he wasn't even caught drinking before. He just talked about it or threatened to get drunk and drive a car?

Re: GA shooter father charged - Chicago parents? [Re: Beer Belly] #4192120
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AU my son's friends parents did just that, kid was wreckless. a wild azz, kicked out of the public school system. Kid had his license less than a week and drove over a hill doing over 90 MPH and wrapped it around a pine tree! my son and two others killed instantly! Did I sue the maker of the car, No. Did I want to sue the parents, yes! did I, No losing a child is not a money making deal but did I want them to pay, Yes! Was it some my fault yes! I got in from work a few days before and my wife was planting some flowers in our yard and I asked where Zachary was and she said that the boy had gotten his license and had picked him up, I said on my God! wife said what? That boy has no value of life! My wife has never worked in the yard since that day!

Re: GA shooter father charged - Chicago parents? [Re: 3bailey3] #4192123
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Originally Posted by 3bailey3
AU my son's friends parents did just that, kid was wreckless. a wild azz, kicked out of the public school system. Kid had his license less than a week and drove over a hill doing over 90 MPH and wrapped it around a pine tree! my son and two others killed instantly! Did I sue the maker of the car, No. Did I want to sue the parents, yes! did I, No losing a child is not a money making deal but did I want them to pay, Yes! Was it some my fault yes! I got in from work a few days before and my wife was planting some flowers in our yard and I asked where Zachary was and she said that the boy had gotten his license and had picked him up, I said on my God! wife said what? That boy has no value of life! My wife has never worked in the yard since that day!


That's a horrible story. I'm so sorry you and your wife had to deal with that. I don't see how you or anyone else can go on after losing a child.

Kids do dumb things. Sometimes these decisions are tragic. But I do not think parents could be charged with murder when they themselves did not commit the murder. Maybe some negligence crime but not murder.

Re: GA shooter father charged - Chicago parents? [Re: Beer Belly] #4192165
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I have mixed feelings on this one. Trying the kid as an adult and then trying the Dad as well. I'm sure the Dad did terrible at parenting but is the precedent being set that you are always responsible for a child's actions when they are deemed an adult legally? I think the kid was so messed up he would have gotten the Dad's gun in this situation. Slippery slope for sure. This could easily apply to automobile deaths.

Re: GA shooter father charged - Chicago parents? [Re: Beer Belly] #4192185
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It’s a slippery slope to charge the parents of a child for a crime the child committed.
What about teens who kill people with a vehicle bought with daddy’s money? I could argue very few teens are responsible enough to drive, and the parents know it. It’s a terrible situation, but unless the parent encouraged the boy to shoot up the school, I wouldn’t say they’re criminally responsible.
To the bigger issue, I think they’re going after white parents who legally purchase guns.
How many teens shot someone in a major city last night? Several I’m sure, all with stole guns.


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Re: GA shooter father charged - Chicago parents? [Re: Beer Belly] #4192186
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I don’t like charging someone else for crimes committed like this. The parents nor the ammo nor gun manufacturers. This is just a government doing what they can to criminalize anyone with a gun! The FBI knew, why didn’t they do something? Are those members going to go to trial and be tarnished at work then locked up?

Gotta throw the kids out of the house for good make-up sex after a fight, some y’all would be arrested for lewdness in front of a minor.


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Re: GA shooter father charged - Chicago parents? [Re: Beer Belly] #4192190
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Re: GA shooter father charged - Chicago parents? [Re: Beer Belly] #4192195
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Some of y’all are thinking too far into this. It has nothing to do with ammo or gun manufacturers, or car manufacturers. They aren’t charging him for failing as a parent. He knew his son had threatened to kill, and he supplied him with a gun. They’ve been charging people like this for decades.

You drove the getaway car but your buddy pulled the trigger? You’re getting charged with it too.

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I say life is all about the decisions you make. Those decisions come with consequences, good and bad. Dad made bad decisions, son made bad decisions. They have to pay the consequences. Mom has made bad decisions is either in jail or has been. You have to make better decisions, it can be hard, but you can do it. I really just don’t think it’s any harder than that. I will say sometimes people make decisions for you. You then have to hope they make good decisions, if not this is when bad things happen to good people.

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I’ll just wait on the facts before forming an opinion

Re: GA shooter father charged - Chicago parents? [Re: jaredhunts] #4192213
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Liable maybe for something but criminally charged for murder no. Slippery slope

Father was aware his son had made threats online, and proceeded to buy him an AR-15 for Christmas. His father is absolutely liable for murder. Those kids’ blood is on his hands.

Argument can be made to hold the manufacturer accountable.


So Ford can be held accountable for someone driving a ford drunk, hitting someone and killing them?


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Given what we know at this point, I believe the dad should be criminally charged. Now, charging him with murder is going too far. He did not kill anyone. Seems to me that some type of accessory to murder charge would be appropriate here and I suspect he will make a deal to plead guilty to just such a charge. The kid makes public threats to commit mass murder by firearm. The FBI interviews the kid and the dad about those threats. The dad subsequently buys the kid an AR which the kid uses to follow through on his threats. The only sensible thing for the dad to do would have been to remove all firearms from the house this kid lived in. Try to put yourselves in the shoes of a parent whose child was murdered by this kid and think about the dad's actions.

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