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Hey Skinny #4195763
09/13/24 03:14 AM
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My son and I found these last weekend and he is curious as to what age they are? By far, the two best points we have found and they were 40 yards apart. It’s safe to say we will be going back to that spot. smile

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Re: Hey Skinny [Re: CAL] #4195765
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Re: Hey Skinny [Re: CAL] #4195774
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I can tell you the point type for the bottom one is a Bolen Bevel. It would a classic one if not for the tip. 9500 to 8500 years old. The material looks to be Coastal Plain Chert.

The top one looks to be an Eva point but I’m not as familiar with that type as I am on the Bolens.

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Re: Hey Skinny [Re: CAL] #4195783
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jawbone there have been some adjustments to the Bolen general category but still in the right frame. Those are about 5500-3500 years. Both are general AP knives but the one on the bottom is called "Bolen" as a large category. It started as a knife then became a drill, that one is at the beginning stages of its drill work.
The larger one though is a "weapon" grade knife/spear tip. Those have been found in deer, bear, and human bones. I found one very similar stuck in two human thoracic vertebrae, It was keeping the two verts together because it stabbed through both bones at the same time. That one was clearly a fatal wound considering it was stabbed through the guy from the front. That particular instance is what close in your face short-spear combat injuries look like. So its possible that one may have seen some action.


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Thanks guys

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That's Awesome!


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Ain't never been lucky enough to find stuff like that


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Re: Hey Skinny [Re: CAL] #4196213
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Interesting find.


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Re: Hey Skinny [Re: CAL] #4196241
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Just to ramble on this a little bit. I did a simple experiment with a Bolen point very similar to that one. I put one of those, an actual one, on a bow-drill and drilled through a 8-inch green white oak log with it. For the tool that it was, the process was surprisingly easy and as natural as working my Dewalt drill. It was slower, but it did not take more than a few minutes. It drilled a perfect dime size hole you could run a lag bolt through.


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Originally Posted by Skinny
Just to ramble on this a little bit. I did a simple experiment with a Bolen point very similar to that one. I put one of those, an actual one, on a bow-drill and drilled through a 8-inch green white oak log with it. For the tool that it was, the process was surprisingly easy and as natural as working my Dewalt drill. It was slower, but it did not take more than a few minutes. It drilled a perfect dime size hole you could run a lag bolt through.

Now drill through stone for the gorgets, bannerstones, etc with a twig dipped in bear fat and then sand or however else they managed that. Had to be a slow process but then it wasn’t like they had tv and other distractions to occupy their time. Their time was occupied with trying to stay alive I guess.


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Re: Hey Skinny [Re: CAL] #4197644
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My son added more to the collection yesterday

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Re: Hey Skinny [Re: CAL] #4197647
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Nice finds!

Re: Hey Skinny [Re: Mbrock] #4197664
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Originally Posted by Mbrock
Nice finds!
Those are cool CAL.... cool


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Re: Hey Skinny [Re: CAL] #4197694
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Originally Posted by CAL
My son added more to the collection yesterday

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From the drill in the center to the right, that looks like the same Archaic stuff I find at my dad's place. I bet it is a high and dry sandy spot next to a creek aint it?


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Re: Hey Skinny [Re: CAL] #4197714
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You are on a great site. If your son is into it you ought to do some digging. Get below the plow line and you will find the stuff that is not broke up by tillage. I have two known sites on my place but nothing like that. My main site was farmed for years and thousands of points were found out of it but surface hunting now is slim pickings. What you have appears untouched. Just finished building a 4’x8’ screen and am about to start doing some prospecting with my front end loader in the big field. Hopefully there is some left under the plow line. If not I have high hopes for a terrace that was pushed up many many decades ago. Also have an interesting knoll by my creek that became obvious after a recent clear cut.I am going to get after it as soon as weather cools. Good luck with that site, I would give my left nut to have something as good on my place. Lol

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Thats a pretty good middle archaic site. I bet you got stone slab burials under that stuff.


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Originally Posted by Skinny
Thats a pretty good middle archaic site. I bet you got stone slab burials under that stuff.

That thar reason is why I won't put a shovel in the ground around these sites. My luck is bad enough under normal conditions.


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Re: Hey Skinny [Re: CAL] #4197746
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I have dug hundreds of holes and never found even a hint of a burial. I do know one guy who did come across one in the middle of a small camp site and it freaked him out. Soon as he realized what it was he covered it and apologized to it for the disturbance. The whole “ grave robbing” thing is vastly over blown, mostly by the guys who get paid to do it. 99% of collectors who dig want nothing to do with a burial, we are looking for their kitchen, trash dump and work spot.

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The dead are typically buried under houses, and kitchens and trash dump spots. That is where we find most of them.


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