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Re: 2024-2025 SOA Hunts [Re: quailman] #4198612
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Originally Posted by quailman
A dog hunt at Blue Sping is a draw hunt now? I used to just climb a tree and listen for the dogs.



Yeah, I read somewhere that they had over 800 people one year and it was a mess, so they made it draw only with a limit of 300 folks. It’s not ran like Geneva though.

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School me on points. I have put in for hunts last 2yrs and have 2 points how does someone get 65 points?


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Originally Posted by rkt
School me on points. I have put in for hunts last 2yrs and have 2 points how does someone get 65 points?

I don’t get it either. I’ve put in for hunts since the beginning for both turkey and deer. I got chosen to deer hunt in 2021 and I think I had around 60 some odd points. I went in this time with a whopping 9 points. I’ve put my wife in every year as well. She got chosen to deer hunt last year but had to decline at last minute. She went in this time with 126 points and was drawn as an alternate on 3 hunts. It makes zero sense to me how a first time applicant gets drawn and someone who’s put in for 5+ years doesn’t. SMDH.


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Re: 2024-2025 SOA Hunts [Re: bamaeyedoc] #4198786
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Originally Posted by bamaeyedoc
Originally Posted by rkt
School me on points. I have put in for hunts last 2yrs and have 2 points how does someone get 65 points?

I don’t get it either. I’ve put in for hunts since the beginning for both turkey and deer. I got chosen to deer hunt in 2021 and I think I had around 60 some odd points. I went in this time with a whopping 9 points. I’ve put my wife in every year as well. She got chosen to deer hunt last year but had to decline at last minute. She went in this time with 126 points and was drawn as an alternate on 3 hunts. It makes zero sense to me how a first time applicant gets drawn and someone who’s put in for 5+ years doesn’t. SMDH.



I think it’s previous (losing) years cubed plus one (current year).

Example,
First year: =1
Second year: 1x1x1+1=2
third year: 2x2x2+1=9
Fourth year: 3x3x3+1=28
Fifth year: 4x4x4+1=65
Sixth year: 5x5x5+1=126

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Re: 2024-2025 SOA Hunts [Re: Broadhead26] #4198787
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So the points go up exponentially by cubes and you always have the plus one point that you start with on year one.
Year 1 : 1 point
Year 2 : 1 point + 1³ = 2
Year 3 : 1 point + 2³ = 9
Year 4 : 1 point + 3³ = 28
Year 5 : 1 point + 4³ = 65
And so on...

Re: 2024-2025 SOA Hunts [Re: Broadhead26] #4198789
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Dang you beat me by like 30 seconds Broadhead

Re: 2024-2025 SOA Hunts [Re: Broadhead26] #4198792
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Also I don't really know how much the points actually matter because I had 65 and know people with 28 and even 9 who drew more hunt options than I did.

Re: 2024-2025 SOA Hunts [Re: Coosa1] #4198809
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Originally Posted by Coosa1

Also I don't really know how much the points actually matter because I had 65 and know people with 28 and even 9 who drew more hunt options than I did.



The SOA's use what would be more correctly classified as a "Bonus Point" system, I don't know why the state insists on calling them "preference points" when that's not the system they're using.

In a bonus point system, you can think of each point as another entry in the drawing, or name in the hat so to speak, this increases your odd of drawing each year but doesn't guarantee a draw even at the highest tier.

If it were a true preference point system, then no one with 65 points would be drawn until everyone with 126 points got a tag and so on. this makes it easier for planning purposes, but this is what has led to lots of the seemingly unattainable draw hunts out west. many take 10-20 years at minimum to draw and some are predicted that if you just started applying now, you would never accrue enough points to get ahead of the creep. Some western states with a preference point system now allocate something like 10-25% of the tags to a random draw, so that regular folks still have a small chance of drawing.

a bonus point system is better for a program where you have a very limited number of hunts, and a large number of applicants.

Re: 2024-2025 SOA Hunts [Re: thayerp81] #4198826
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Originally Posted by thayerp81
Originally Posted by Coosa1

Also I don't really know how much the points actually matter because I had 65 and know people with 28 and even 9 who drew more hunt options than I did.



The SOA's use what would be more correctly classified as a "Bonus Point" system, I don't know why the state insists on calling them "preference points" when that's not the system they're using.

In a bonus point system, you can think of each point as another entry in the drawing, or name in the hat so to speak, this increases your odd of drawing each year but doesn't guarantee a draw even at the highest tier.

If it were a true preference point system, then no one with 65 points would be drawn until everyone with 126 points got a tag and so on. this makes it easier for planning purposes, but this is what has led to lots of the seemingly unattainable draw hunts out west. many take 10-20 years at minimum to draw and some are predicted that if you just started applying now, you would never accrue enough points to get ahead of the creep. Some western states with a preference point system now allocate something like 10-25% of the tags to a random draw, so that regular folks still have a small chance of drawing.

a bonus point system is better for a program where you have a very limited number of hunts, and a large number of applicants.


That makes sense. I'd really like to see the numbers on the hunt applications. Like how many people apply for each particular hunt every year.

Re: 2024-2025 SOA Hunts [Re: Coosa1] #4198837
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Originally Posted by Coosa1

Also I don't really know how much the points actually matter because I had 65 and know people with 28 and even 9 who drew more hunt options than I did.



I think a lot of it comes down to the type of hunts people are applying for.

I imagine 10x more people are applying for the rifle hunts than the archery only ones.
So a rifle hunter may apply for several years before they are statistically going to get one vs an archery hunter that is probably going to win one every other year. I’ve been selected for 3/5 years for an archery hunt but have yet to get lucky on a single rifle one.

Re: 2024-2025 SOA Hunts [Re: Coosa1] #4198852
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Originally Posted by Coosa1

So the points go up exponentially by cubes and you always have the plus one point that you start with on year one.
Year 1 : 1 point
Year 2 : 1 point + 1³ = 2
Year 3 : 1 point + 2³ = 9
Year 4 : 1 point + 3³ = 28
Year 5 : 1 point + 4³ = 65
And so on...

But don't/aren't your points supposed to go to (0) zero once you are selected and participate in a hunt.

Re: 2024-2025 SOA Hunts [Re: abolt300] #4198854
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Originally Posted by abolt300
Originally Posted by Coosa1

So the points go up exponentially by cubes and you always have the plus one point that you start with on year one.
Year 1 : 1 point
Year 2 : 1 point + 1³ = 2
Year 3 : 1 point + 2³ = 9
Year 4 : 1 point + 3³ = 28
Year 5 : 1 point + 4³ = 65
And so on...

But don't/aren't your points supposed to go to (0) zero once you are selected and participate in a hunt.


Yeah they get reset to 1 when you accept a Hunter spot

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Re: 2024-2025 SOA Hunts [Re: Broadhead26] #4198861
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Registered for SOA hunts since inception except last year. I forgot to register and lost my all preference points. I have never been drawn as a Hunter. Very disappointed.

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yes, they get reset if you accept a hunter position in a regular SOA hunt. I think there's some confusion though because there are three separate hunt types. you can only accept one of each type per year, so in theory could have three hunts a year, if you were lucky enough to draw for all three. There are the preference point based hunts (most of the "regular" SOA hunts) there are a few randon draw hunts, that don't tally or use preference points (these are usually antlerless only hunts) and there are the deer with dog hunts. You can accept a deer with dog hunt and a random draw hunt and still keep all your preference points for a "regular" SOA hunt.

Re: 2024-2025 SOA Hunts [Re: Coosa1] #4198909
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So the points go up exponentially by cubes and you always have the plus one point that you start with on year one.
Year 1 : 1 point
Year 2 : 1 point + 1³ = 2
Year 3 : 1 point + 2³ = 9
Year 4 : 1 point + 3³ = 28
Year 5 : 1 point + 4³ = 65
And so on...

But don't/aren't your points supposed to go to (0) zero once you are selected and participate in a hunt.


Yeah they get reset to 1 when you accept a Hunter spot

That's the way I thought it would work and why I was asking. I thought that you drew on multiple hunts last year? If so, how were you still carrying 65 points this year? It sounds like based on a lot of the comments in this thread of people missing their points, that the point system is not heavily audited by or maintained, by the Chuckie minions, for the correct application of points or failure to properly assign points each year.

Re: 2024-2025 SOA Hunts [Re: abolt300] #4198989
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Originally Posted by abolt300

That's the way I thought it would work and why I was asking. I thought that you drew on multiple hunts last year? If so, how were you still carrying 65 points this year? It sounds like based on a lot of the comments in this thread of people missing their points, that the point system is not heavily audited by or maintained, by the Chuckie minions, for the correct application of points or failure to properly assign points each year.


I go on a few SOA hunts every year, yes. But I have not accepted a deer hunt that I have drawn in several years. I've got a good group of buddies and between them, my dad, and my wife I usually manage a hunt or two each season while saving my points to hopefully draw a really good one and pay one of them back as my guest.

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I will say this though, when the SOAs first started (before they did pref points) I got drawn and went every single year for probably 4-5 years in a row. I've hunted Stimpson section 12 like 5 times lol

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Originally Posted by Coosa1
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That's the way I thought it would work and why I was asking. I thought that you drew on multiple hunts last year? If so, how were you still carrying 65 points this year? It sounds like based on a lot of the comments in this thread of people missing their points, that the point system is not heavily audited by or maintained, by the Chuckie minions, for the correct application of points or failure to properly assign points each year.


I go on a few SOA hunts every year, yes. But I have not accepted a deer hunt that I have drawn in several years. I've got a good group of buddies and between them, my dad, and my wife I usually manage a hunt or two each season while saving my points to hopefully draw a really good one and pay one of them back as my guest.

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Originally Posted by abolt300
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Originally Posted by abolt300

That's the way I thought it would work and why I was asking. I thought that you drew on multiple hunts last year? If so, how were you still carrying 65 points this year? It sounds like based on a lot of the comments in this thread of people missing their points, that the point system is not heavily audited by or maintained, by the Chuckie minions, for the correct application of points or failure to properly assign points each year.


I go on a few SOA hunts every year, yes. But I have not accepted a deer hunt that I have drawn in several years. I've got a good group of buddies and between them, my dad, and my wife I usually manage a hunt or two each season while saving my points to hopefully draw a really good one and pay one of them back as my guest.

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You're holding out for a Portland gun hunt arent you?

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