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Re: 2024-2025 SOA Hunts
[Re: quailman]
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09/17/24 06:59 PM
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A dog hunt at Blue Sping is a draw hunt now? I used to just climb a tree and listen for the dogs. Yeah, I read somewhere that they had over 800 people one year and it was a mess, so they made it draw only with a limit of 300 folks. It’s not ran like Geneva though.
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Re: 2024-2025 SOA Hunts
[Re: Broadhead26]
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09/18/24 05:56 AM
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School me on points. I have put in for hunts last 2yrs and have 2 points how does someone get 65 points?
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Re: 2024-2025 SOA Hunts
[Re: rkt]
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09/18/24 07:07 AM
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School me on points. I have put in for hunts last 2yrs and have 2 points how does someone get 65 points?
I don’t get it either. I’ve put in for hunts since the beginning for both turkey and deer. I got chosen to deer hunt in 2021 and I think I had around 60 some odd points. I went in this time with a whopping 9 points. I’ve put my wife in every year as well. She got chosen to deer hunt last year but had to decline at last minute. She went in this time with 126 points and was drawn as an alternate on 3 hunts. It makes zero sense to me how a first time applicant gets drawn and someone who’s put in for 5+ years doesn’t. SMDH.
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Re: 2024-2025 SOA Hunts
[Re: bamaeyedoc]
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09/18/24 07:39 AM
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School me on points. I have put in for hunts last 2yrs and have 2 points how does someone get 65 points?
I don’t get it either. I’ve put in for hunts since the beginning for both turkey and deer. I got chosen to deer hunt in 2021 and I think I had around 60 some odd points. I went in this time with a whopping 9 points. I’ve put my wife in every year as well. She got chosen to deer hunt last year but had to decline at last minute. She went in this time with 126 points and was drawn as an alternate on 3 hunts. It makes zero sense to me how a first time applicant gets drawn and someone who’s put in for 5+ years doesn’t. SMDH. I think it’s previous (losing) years cubed plus one (current year). Example, First year: =1 Second year: 1x1x1+1=2 third year: 2x2x2+1=9 Fourth year: 3x3x3+1=28 Fifth year: 4x4x4+1=65 Sixth year: 5x5x5+1=126
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Re: 2024-2025 SOA Hunts
[Re: Coosa1]
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09/18/24 08:04 AM
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Also I don't really know how much the points actually matter because I had 65 and know people with 28 and even 9 who drew more hunt options than I did.
The SOA's use what would be more correctly classified as a "Bonus Point" system, I don't know why the state insists on calling them "preference points" when that's not the system they're using. In a bonus point system, you can think of each point as another entry in the drawing, or name in the hat so to speak, this increases your odd of drawing each year but doesn't guarantee a draw even at the highest tier. If it were a true preference point system, then no one with 65 points would be drawn until everyone with 126 points got a tag and so on. this makes it easier for planning purposes, but this is what has led to lots of the seemingly unattainable draw hunts out west. many take 10-20 years at minimum to draw and some are predicted that if you just started applying now, you would never accrue enough points to get ahead of the creep. Some western states with a preference point system now allocate something like 10-25% of the tags to a random draw, so that regular folks still have a small chance of drawing. a bonus point system is better for a program where you have a very limited number of hunts, and a large number of applicants.
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Re: 2024-2025 SOA Hunts
[Re: thayerp81]
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09/18/24 08:30 AM
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Also I don't really know how much the points actually matter because I had 65 and know people with 28 and even 9 who drew more hunt options than I did.
The SOA's use what would be more correctly classified as a "Bonus Point" system, I don't know why the state insists on calling them "preference points" when that's not the system they're using. In a bonus point system, you can think of each point as another entry in the drawing, or name in the hat so to speak, this increases your odd of drawing each year but doesn't guarantee a draw even at the highest tier. If it were a true preference point system, then no one with 65 points would be drawn until everyone with 126 points got a tag and so on. this makes it easier for planning purposes, but this is what has led to lots of the seemingly unattainable draw hunts out west. many take 10-20 years at minimum to draw and some are predicted that if you just started applying now, you would never accrue enough points to get ahead of the creep. Some western states with a preference point system now allocate something like 10-25% of the tags to a random draw, so that regular folks still have a small chance of drawing. a bonus point system is better for a program where you have a very limited number of hunts, and a large number of applicants. That makes sense. I'd really like to see the numbers on the hunt applications. Like how many people apply for each particular hunt every year.
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Re: 2024-2025 SOA Hunts
[Re: Coosa1]
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09/18/24 09:08 AM
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Also I don't really know how much the points actually matter because I had 65 and know people with 28 and even 9 who drew more hunt options than I did.
I think a lot of it comes down to the type of hunts people are applying for. I imagine 10x more people are applying for the rifle hunts than the archery only ones. So a rifle hunter may apply for several years before they are statistically going to get one vs an archery hunter that is probably going to win one every other year. I’ve been selected for 3/5 years for an archery hunt but have yet to get lucky on a single rifle one.
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Re: 2024-2025 SOA Hunts
[Re: Coosa1]
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09/18/24 09:36 AM
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So the points go up exponentially by cubes and you always have the plus one point that you start with on year one. Year 1 : 1 point Year 2 : 1 point + 1³ = 2 Year 3 : 1 point + 2³ = 9 Year 4 : 1 point + 3³ = 28 Year 5 : 1 point + 4³ = 65 And so on...
But don't/aren't your points supposed to go to (0) zero once you are selected and participate in a hunt.
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Re: 2024-2025 SOA Hunts
[Re: abolt300]
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09/18/24 09:38 AM
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So the points go up exponentially by cubes and you always have the plus one point that you start with on year one. Year 1 : 1 point Year 2 : 1 point + 1³ = 2 Year 3 : 1 point + 2³ = 9 Year 4 : 1 point + 3³ = 28 Year 5 : 1 point + 4³ = 65 And so on...
But don't/aren't your points supposed to go to (0) zero once you are selected and participate in a hunt. Yeah they get reset to 1 when you accept a Hunter spot
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Re: 2024-2025 SOA Hunts
[Re: Coosa1]
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09/18/24 11:07 AM
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So the points go up exponentially by cubes and you always have the plus one point that you start with on year one. Year 1 : 1 point Year 2 : 1 point + 1³ = 2 Year 3 : 1 point + 2³ = 9 Year 4 : 1 point + 3³ = 28 Year 5 : 1 point + 4³ = 65 And so on...
But don't/aren't your points supposed to go to (0) zero once you are selected and participate in a hunt. Yeah they get reset to 1 when you accept a Hunter spot That's the way I thought it would work and why I was asking. I thought that you drew on multiple hunts last year? If so, how were you still carrying 65 points this year? It sounds like based on a lot of the comments in this thread of people missing their points, that the point system is not heavily audited by or maintained, by the Chuckie minions, for the correct application of points or failure to properly assign points each year.
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Re: 2024-2025 SOA Hunts
[Re: abolt300]
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09/18/24 01:50 PM
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That's the way I thought it would work and why I was asking. I thought that you drew on multiple hunts last year? If so, how were you still carrying 65 points this year? It sounds like based on a lot of the comments in this thread of people missing their points, that the point system is not heavily audited by or maintained, by the Chuckie minions, for the correct application of points or failure to properly assign points each year.
I go on a few SOA hunts every year, yes. But I have not accepted a deer hunt that I have drawn in several years. I've got a good group of buddies and between them, my dad, and my wife I usually manage a hunt or two each season while saving my points to hopefully draw a really good one and pay one of them back as my guest.
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Re: 2024-2025 SOA Hunts
[Re: abolt300]
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09/18/24 02:37 PM
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That's the way I thought it would work and why I was asking. I thought that you drew on multiple hunts last year? If so, how were you still carrying 65 points this year? It sounds like based on a lot of the comments in this thread of people missing their points, that the point system is not heavily audited by or maintained, by the Chuckie minions, for the correct application of points or failure to properly assign points each year.
I go on a few SOA hunts every year, yes. But I have not accepted a deer hunt that I have drawn in several years. I've got a good group of buddies and between them, my dad, and my wife I usually manage a hunt or two each season while saving my points to hopefully draw a really good one and pay one of them back as my guest. You're holding out for a Portland gun hunt arent you?
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