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Re: Pen raised bucks , Matt ??? Any body [Re: eclipse829] #4212071
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Originally Posted by eclipse829
Nobody is shooting those 400, 500, 600" deer. The money for the seed is too big.

Use to be like $1200-$1500 a straw didn’t it? May be more now, or I may be mistaken.

Re: Pen raised bucks , Matt ??? Any body [Re: Frankie] #4212084
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I watched an auction and a guy paid $1 million for 1/2 interest in a buck and didnt take it with him. He just got half of what it produced from then on. Big money in big bucks

Re: Pen raised bucks , Matt ??? Any body [Re: Frankie] #4212422
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Most of the breeder bucks in Alabama fall in the 250" range at 2yo and the 3yo's generally are in the 350-400" range.

That being said I have a client in North Alabama that has numerous bucks over 500" each year and he had a 650" deer that died last year of EHD.


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Re: Pen raised bucks , Matt ??? Any body [Re: Frankie] #4212475
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If they grow like that what do they feed them?

Re: Pen raised bucks , Matt ??? Any body [Re: kyles] #4212484
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Originally Posted by kyles
If they grow like that what do they feed them?


Steroids? Lol


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Re: Pen raised bucks , Matt ??? Any body [Re: kyles] #4212486
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Originally Posted by kyles
If they grow like that what do they feed them?

It’s genetics. Selective breeding. Nutrition helps, but that is not why they are that big.

Re: Pen raised bucks , Matt ??? Any body [Re: Mbrock] #4212519
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Originally Posted by Mbrock
Originally Posted by kyles
If they grow like that what do they feed them?

It’s genetics. Selective breeding. Nutrition helps, but that is not why they are that big.


Yep, one of my close friends had some awesome bucks and he said it was almost entirely genetics. His family got out of the business when CWD restrictions became too much of a pain.

Re: Pen raised bucks , Matt ??? Any body [Re: Frankie] #4212582
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I agree on genetics I been looking at my pictures this morning. I have a lot of tall rack deer. Narrow racks

Re: Pen raised bucks , Matt ??? Any body [Re: Frankie] #4212662
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Its a mix of genetics, breeding the right doe to the right buck, and feed.

Most folks feed high protein deer feed mixed with various supplements to keep them heathly. Also the bigger bucks generally aren't put with too many does. If they breed too many their antlers will be smaller the following year.


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Re: Pen raised bucks , Matt ??? Any body [Re: Big Game Hunter] #4212698
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Originally Posted by Big Game Hunter
Its a mix of genetics, breeding the right doe to the right buck, and feed.

Most folks feed high protein deer feed mixed with various supplements to keep them heathly. Also the bigger bucks generally aren't put with too many does. If they breed too many their antlers will be smaller the following year.

Woah!!!! Say what?!?!
You mean if too many does are on the landscape and exhausting bucks with longer ruts it can negatively impact their health? No way.

I’m obviously being sarcastic. This one hurdle is too high for many to overcome.

Re: Pen raised bucks , Matt ??? Any body [Re: jwalker77] #4213032
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500 inches


Nothing about that buck appeals to me at all.


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Re: Pen raised bucks , Matt ??? Any body [Re: Cuz-Pat] #4213038
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500 inches


Nothing about that buck appeals to me at all.

Me either but someone would pay a small fortune to kill it.

Re: Pen raised bucks , Matt ??? Any body [Re: Mbrock] #4213080
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Originally Posted by Mbrock
Originally Posted by Big Game Hunter
Its a mix of genetics, breeding the right doe to the right buck, and feed.

Most folks feed high protein deer feed mixed with various supplements to keep them heathly. Also the bigger bucks generally aren't put with too many does. If they breed too many their antlers will be smaller the following year.

Woah!!!! Say what?!?!
You mean if too many does are on the landscape and exhausting bucks with longer ruts it can negatively impact their health? No way.

I’m obviously being sarcastic. This one hurdle is too high for many to overcome.


How do you know if there are too many does?

Like if I sit there on a good weather day on my property and see 10 is that too many? What if I see 15 one day and then zero for the next couple times I sit there?

Re: Pen raised bucks , Matt ??? Any body [Re: Frankie] #4213271
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Just because bucks are being overharvested doesnt mean everyone needs to shoot a bunch of does to try and fix it


We dont rent pigs
Re: Pen raised bucks , Matt ??? Any body [Re: CNC] #4213280
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Originally Posted by CNC
Just because bucks are being overharvested doesnt mean everyone needs to shoot a bunch of does to try and fix it


What should you do?


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Re: Pen raised bucks , Matt ??? Any body [Re: Mbrock] #4213310
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Originally Posted by Mbrock
Originally Posted by Big Game Hunter
Its a mix of genetics, breeding the right doe to the right buck, and feed.

Most folks feed high protein deer feed mixed with various supplements to keep them heathly. Also the bigger bucks generally aren't put with too many does. If they breed too many their antlers will be smaller the following year.

Woah!!!! Say what?!?!
You mean if too many does are on the landscape and exhausting bucks with longer ruts it can negatively impact their health? No way.

I’m obviously being sarcastic. This one hurdle is too high for many to overcome.

Say it aint so Matt. LOL

Re: Pen raised bucks , Matt ??? Any body [Re: Nightwatchman] #4213319
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Originally Posted by Nightwatchman
Originally Posted by Mbrock
Originally Posted by Big Game Hunter
Its a mix of genetics, breeding the right doe to the right buck, and feed.

Most folks feed high protein deer feed mixed with various supplements to keep them heathly. Also the bigger bucks generally aren't put with too many does. If they breed too many their antlers will be smaller the following year.

Woah!!!! Say what?!?!
You mean if too many does are on the landscape and exhausting bucks with longer ruts it can negatively impact their health? No way.

I’m obviously being sarcastic. This one hurdle is too high for many to overcome.


How do you know if there are too many does?

Like if I sit there on a good weather day on my property and see 10 is that too many? What if I see 15 one day and then zero for the next couple times I sit there?




All depends on how many breeding age bucks you have on the property to service those 10 or 15 does. Prolonged rutting activity causes tremendous stress for bucks. If your does start into heat in late Dec and you still have does being bred beyond the end of January, you've either got too many does or not enough bucks. 2 cycles should be the norm with the majority of does being bred in their first cycle. Generally rut/breeding activity beyond 40 days is indicative of a balance issue and not good for the health of your bucks or overall herd for that matter. In a perfect world, all your does would be bred on their first cycle and you'd have a very short concise rut. The earlier that the fawns drop the better. The rut in a lot of places in AL lasts 3 to sometimes 4 solid months due to lack of age structure and out of whack sex ratios.

Re: Pen raised bucks , Matt ??? Any body [Re: abolt300] #4213379
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Originally Posted by abolt300
Originally Posted by Nightwatchman
Originally Posted by Mbrock
Originally Posted by Big Game Hunter
Its a mix of genetics, breeding the right doe to the right buck, and feed.

Most folks feed high protein deer feed mixed with various supplements to keep them heathly. Also the bigger bucks generally aren't put with too many does. If they breed too many their antlers will be smaller the following year.

Woah!!!! Say what?!?!
You mean if too many does are on the landscape and exhausting bucks with longer ruts it can negatively impact their health? No way.

I’m obviously being sarcastic. This one hurdle is too high for many to overcome.


How do you know if there are too many does?

Like if I sit there on a good weather day on my property and see 10 is that too many? What if I see 15 one day and then zero for the next couple times I sit there?




All depends on how many breeding age bucks you have on the property to service those 10 or 15 does. Prolonged rutting activity causes tremendous stress for bucks. If your does start into heat in late Dec and you still have does being bred beyond the end of January, you've either got too many does or not enough bucks. 2 cycles should be the norm with the majority of does being bred in their first cycle. Generally rut/breeding activity beyond 40 days is indicative of a balance issue and not good for the health of your bucks or overall herd for that matter. In a perfect world, all your does would be bred on their first cycle and you'd have a very short concise rut. The earlier that the fawns drop the better. The rut in a lot of places in AL lasts 3 to sometimes 4 solid months due to lack of age structure and out of whack sex ratios.





If you don't have a very large track of land that you gonna have for a very long time you ain't gonna tighten up the rut. Or get everyone on the same program you gonna fix it . Fix that problem takes time and a whole lot of finger control. Imo

Re: Pen raised bucks , Matt ??? Any body [Re: BrandonClark] #4213384
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Originally Posted by BrandonClark
Originally Posted by CNC
Just because bucks are being overharvested doesnt mean everyone needs to shoot a bunch of does to try and fix it


What should you do?


Limit out of state hunters to one buck and double their license fees..........


We dont rent pigs
Re: Pen raised bucks , Matt ??? Any body [Re: CNC] #4213407
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Originally Posted by CNC
Originally Posted by BrandonClark
Originally Posted by CNC
Just because bucks are being overharvested doesnt mean everyone needs to shoot a bunch of does to try and fix it


What should you do?


Limit out of state hunters to one buck and double their license fees..........




Why not just stop hunting for 2 years ?

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