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Federal Judge rules ban on machine guns is unconst #4221070
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A federal judge in Kansas has tossed out a machine gun possession charge and questioned if bans on the weapons violate the Second Amendment.

If upheld on appeal, the ruling by U.S. District Judge John W. Broomes in Wichita could have a sweeping impact on the regulation of machine guns, including homemade automatic weapons that many police and prosecutors blame for fueling gun violence.

Broomes, an appointee of President Donald Trump, on Wednesday dismissed two machine gun possession counts against Tamori Morgan, who was indicted last year. Morgan was accused of possessing a model AM-15 .300-caliber machine gun and a machine gun conversion device known as a “Glock switch” that can make a semi-automatic weapon fire like a machine gun.

“The court finds that the Second Amendment applies to the weapons charged because they are ‘bearable arms’ within the original meaning of the amendment,” Broomes wrote. He added that the government “has the burden to show that the regulation is consistent with this nation’s historical firearm regulation tradition.”

https://apnews.com/article/machine-guns-court-ruling-kansas-a15526435c94d896d308fc21571811ce


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Re: Federal Judge rules ban on machine guns is unconst [Re: Geno] #4221078
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I call this progress. The libtards are going to fight it all the way up the ladder.


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Re: Federal Judge rules ban on machine guns is unconst [Re: Geno] #4221106
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It is indeed progress. I was wondering how long it would take. Glad someone other than me took one for the team.

I doubt they'll fight it very much. If you read bruen, it's painfully clear that all bearable arms are now legal. The chances of the same court ruling in opposition to a ruling from 24 months ago are pretty close to zero.

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/20-843_7j80.pdf


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Re: Federal Judge rules ban on machine guns is unconst [Re: Geno] #4221226
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I am curious if the chevron ruling eliminates the ATF rule on NFA trusts having to notify the sheriff of NFA items.

Re: Federal Judge rules ban on machine guns is unconst [Re: Geno] #4221247
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What about grenade launchers? Always wanted one of those.


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Re: Federal Judge rules ban on machine guns is unconst [Re: buzzard] #4221250
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Originally Posted by buzzard
What about grenade launchers? Always wanted one of those.



M203 is the best of both worlds. I toted one for a while in another life.


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Re: Federal Judge rules ban on machine guns is unconst [Re: Geno] #4221266
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Dems will wait to fight it until Kamala wins and packs the Supreme Court sick


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Re: Federal Judge rules ban on machine guns is unconst [Re: Geno] #4221281
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It would be nice to get post 1986 select fire weapons and auto sears for civilian sales again. Should’ve bought a Maremont M60 machine gun for $7500 in 1985.

Re: Federal Judge rules ban on machine guns is unconst [Re: BamaFan64] #4221283
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Originally Posted by BamaFan64
It would be nice to get post 1986 select fire weapons and auto sears for civilian sales again. Should’ve bought a Maremont M60 machine gun for $7500 in 1985.

Good grief...that's like $20k in today's money


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Re: Federal Judge rules ban on machine guns is unconst [Re: GomerPyle] #4221299
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Originally Posted by GomerPyle
Originally Posted by BamaFan64
It would be nice to get post 1986 select fire weapons and auto sears for civilian sales again. Should’ve bought a Maremont M60 machine gun for $7500 in 1985.

Good grief...that's like $20k in today's money

But they sell for about 50k in today's money.

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Originally Posted by GomerPyle
Originally Posted by BamaFan64
It would be nice to get post 1986 select fire weapons and auto sears for civilian sales again. Should’ve bought a Maremont M60 machine gun for $7500 in 1985.

Good grief...that's like $20k in today's money

Yep. Main reason I didn’t get one!

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Giggle switch's are fun but burn through ammo


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Re: Federal Judge rules ban on machine guns is unconst [Re: Geno] #4221431
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Re: Federal Judge rules ban on machine guns is unconst [Re: Geno] #4221432
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So we can all come out of the closet now?

Re: Federal Judge rules ban on machine guns is unconst [Re: Geno] #4221439
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general public is not gonna go for us to have "machine guns " but we can dream .

Re: Federal Judge rules ban on machine guns is unconst [Re: Frankie] #4221452
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Originally Posted by Frankie
general public is not gonna go for us to have "machine guns " but we can dream .

If its not illegal any more, just about any machine shop could make a semi auto full auto, couldnt they?

Re: Federal Judge rules ban on machine guns is unconst [Re: Frankie] #4221457
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Originally Posted by Frankie
general public is not gonna go for us to have "machine guns " but we can dream .


Gen Pop ain't got no say in anything I do. Never has. Never will.


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Re: Federal Judge rules ban on machine guns is unconst [Re: Frankie] #4221474
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Originally Posted by Frankie
general public is not gonna go for us to have "machine guns " but we can dream .

You can currently buy machine guns...pre 86. Price is high, but perfectly legal.

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Originally Posted by Geeb
Originally Posted by Frankie
general public is not gonna go for us to have "machine guns " but we can dream .

You can currently buy machine guns...pre 86. Price is high, but perfectly legal.


That’s true to a degree. I’m pretty sure you would still have to transfer (file paperwork) through the ATF like buying a suppressor.

Re: Federal Judge rules ban on machine guns is unconst [Re: jwalker77] #4221534
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Originally Posted by jwalker77
Originally Posted by Frankie
general public is not gonna go for us to have "machine guns " but we can dream .

If its not illegal any more, just about any machine shop could make a semi auto full auto, couldnt they?




they become legal , we could just order the parts off line .

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