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Re: How many does do we need to shoot?? [Re: CNC] #4229574
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Re: How many does do we need to shoot?? [Re: CNC] #4229584
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How about you hunt national Forest land this year and learn to hunt so you aren't so worried about dumb crap.lol
This article makes my head hurt.

The folks rolling out with deer in beds of trucks are hunters no deer you suck.lmao on public lands that is
You kill what you see .brown it's down how I grew up but it teaches you how to hunt.30 yrs ago you might only see 2-3 deer a year you shoot all of em.lol

When I started hunting in clubs they made fun of me cause I was so cautious of my scent and walking in along ways and all the scouting I did.never got in shooting houses

I was always on top of killing sheet at sign in board.lol

Point is hunting ain't that hard for most of us to worry so much

Take time to get your gear top notch ready it's more fun anyway.start reloading and doing your own bow work killing deer is easy.sounds like you need some more hobbies anyways

Especially on the lands your hunting it sounds.got so many deer you worried about how to mate them just perfectly
If I had my own private 3000 acres I would not give this much thought.its nature man and they taste good plus fishing sucks when it's really cold.it will be ok just settle down .
Just messing around with you😜

You ain't changing much doing all this thinking or even planting or even shooting or not shooting.did someone gift you the mossy oak preserve or something

Honestly on any piece of land you got what you got and don't shoot everything.its really that simple

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really hard to do anything with free range deer... you kill "x" number and 4 more take its place. its really really hard when your land boarders 3 sides of public.. we got a rule on our lease that we have to kill 4.5 or older and 8 or bigger.. but those deer that are not quite to the qualifications slip off on the wma then they get shot...


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I don't know but in 30 yrs we have shot 30 does a yr to 0 does a yr for several consecutive seasons during different attempts to make a change and basically it does not matter, the only thing we noticed the several yrs we shot 30 was we saw fewer deer. Size and weight did not increase # of bucks did not increase, rut activity did not increase. So now we just shoot one if we want and don't worry about it.

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I remember back when hunting was for fun…

Re: How many does do we need to shoot?? [Re: CNC] #4229638
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It is all a hypothetical. But, I made a model that has a harvest component for a grad school populatiin dynamics. It had all the best info at the time. It would predict everything you ask and more. The problem is predicting populations is hard. A ton of effort is put into conservation biology (which is basically the conservation of endangered species) but those models even prove to be pretty elusive.

The basic problem is scale and precision because depending on range size accounting for immigration and emigration is a known unknown. That and stochastic (random) events that can really throw off the trajectory of a population.

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Originally Posted by Ben2
I don't know but in 30 yrs we have shot 30 does a yr to 0 does a yr for several consecutive seasons during different attempts to make a change and basically it does not matter, the only thing we noticed the several yrs we shot 30 was we saw fewer deer. Size and weight did not increase # of bucks did not increase, rut activity did not increase. So now we just shoot one if we want and don't worry about it.

^^^This^^^


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Originally Posted by Shaneomac2
and how do we know how many are twinning........ IM LOST as ball in high weeds with all this deer herd stuff.........


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How many can you eat ?


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Originally Posted by Snuffy
Originally Posted by Ben2
I don't know but in 30 yrs we have shot 30 does a yr to 0 does a yr for several consecutive seasons during different attempts to make a change and basically it does not matter, the only thing we noticed the several yrs we shot 30 was we saw fewer deer. Size and weight did not increase # of bucks did not increase, rut activity did not increase. So now we just shoot one if we want and don't worry about it.

^^^This^^^

Hmmmm. We see all of the above on properties we manage with selective doe harvest based on the data we have. If you can improve habitat and correct the sex ratio all of those things happen as a result. It takes a lot of land, because neighbors affect what you’re doing, but I’ve seen it work very well.

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Originally Posted by Mbrock
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Originally Posted by Ben2
I don't know but in 30 yrs we have shot 30 does a yr to 0 does a yr for several consecutive seasons during different attempts to make a change and basically it does not matter, the only thing we noticed the several yrs we shot 30 was we saw fewer deer. Size and weight did not increase # of bucks did not increase, rut activity did not increase. So now we just shoot one if we want and don't worry about it.

^^^This^^^

Hmmmm. We see all of the above on properties we manage with selective doe harvest based on the data we have. If you can improve habitat and correct the sex ratio all of those things happen as a result. It takes a lot of land, because neighbors affect what you’re doing, but I’ve seen it work very well.

1500 acres, soybeans, corn, millet, wheat, clover etc etc. You can Holler at me anytime and come check it out and see what you think.

Bring the kids and take some does home with you

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Too many variables to do anything with harvest rules state wide. Some clubs barely have any food plots, some have too many food plots, some supplement feed and some do not. Drought can cause deer weights to dip. So can a bad acorn crop and the other way around.

I would say this… stop trying to fix a problem that no one knows is there or not.

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Originally Posted by Ben2
I don't know but in 30 yrs we have shot 30 does a yr to 0 does a yr for several consecutive seasons during different attempts to make a change and basically it does not matter, the only thing we noticed the several yrs we shot 30 was we saw fewer deer. Size and weight did not increase # of bucks did not increase, rut activity did not increase. So now we just shoot one if we want and don't worry about it.


It’s most likely due to a neighbor or neighbors around you who probably have a lot of good fawning habitat and good fawn recruitment rates……They probably arent shooting any does or maybe only a few and they have allowed their property or properties to basically max out the doe population…..So therefore they are basically spilling does outward annually looking for gaps in the landscape to fill in……If you take out 30 then you’ve just opened up holes for them.

As it is now you’ve basically joined whoever those other folks are in doing the same thing….. Any extra does you produce are just doing the same thing those were now and are being pressured off to somewhere else. You’ve maxed out the number of does the fawning cover and/or food resources will support without social conflict occurring……


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I aint got nothin or nowhere…ill just shoot what i want on public land…rule free and unencumbered by numbers…i just wanna kill…lots and lots…i dont care which…just make them dead…if i kill 25 deer a year…odds are 3 will be bucks…and the rest doe…so..that solves the problem regardless. Dont care if i kill a buck…just care if i kill…we like to eat..and i need the meat


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Originally Posted by CarbonClimber1
I aint got nothin or nowhere…ill just shoot what i want on public land…rule free and unencumbered by numbers…i just wanna kill…lots and lots…i dont care which…just make them dead…if i kill 25 deer a year…odds are 3 will be bucks…and the rest doe…so..that solves the problem regardless. Dont care if i kill a buck…just care if i kill…we like to eat..and i need the meat


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Originally Posted by Pwyse
Originally Posted by CarbonClimber1
I aint got nothin or nowhere…ill just shoot what i want on public land…rule free and unencumbered by numbers…i just wanna kill…lots and lots…i dont care which…just make them dead…if i kill 25 deer a year…odds are 3 will be bucks…and the rest doe…so..that solves the problem regardless. Dont care if i kill a buck…just care if i kill…we like to eat..and i need the meat


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Not my fault nobody put no limit on the dot thingys..better than comma…………..big pause…little pause………………..pause for sarcastic effect….just fill in the blank


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