Other states have allowed baiting with corn for decades and amazingly, they haven't wiped out the deer herd.

Go figure...

….and when we get tags issued and then eventually a two buck limit like other states have…..it will be a direct result of the impact baiting has had…..Go figure

Disease from over population is what I see coming…. Major die off

We have tags here. 3 bucks 3 does. We still have a healthy population. Texas has tags. You get a load of tags there. Some counties have a 4 buck limit and you can kill em all in one sit. Texas still has a healthy population. I’m not buying what you’re selling. You’re peddling a solution looking for a problem.

baiting is still illegal .

The hunter density in Texas in also probably half or a third of what it is in Alabama……maybe less……These other factors that also matter is what I’m selling…..Things like hunter density, unenforced bag limits, length of the gun season, etc…..These things vary from state to state and the rules have been set to compensate for allowing baiting…..Alabama is the only one I know that is currently allowing baiting and an unenforced free for all…..That will change in the coming years and rules will become stricter to make up for the impact baiting is causing…….It will probably mean an eventual two buck limit like GA has…..

I honestly believe we are headed in the wrong direction in certain areas. I’m not talking the big landowner holding areas I’m talking about small fragmented communities like a lot of the state now. I’ve had the good and now I have the bad and I see what can happen. I went from being able to let deer walk and the majority living to letting them walk and the majority dying. Does are everywhere but if a buck has a rack he gets killed. I spend 10 times more money and time on my property trying to make things better and everyone around me loves it. Well I give up and won’t be holding my family back anymore. If you don’t hold 500 acres and have like minded neighbors now you are screwed.

all this wont matter if beef prices come down . hunters aint paying the high price of having deer cut up when they can buy beef some what close to the same price . i just bought 2 butt portion hams at $1.59 a lbs thats cheaper pound than for pound for deer meat . unless you process your own deer it aint cheap no more . most hunters just aint going through the trouble . im already seeing less and less hunters around me not killing does because ,,,,,, it just aint worth . besides , posting a doe on face book aint really that cool . lol


i can only speak from what i know but theres more deer here now there ever was . you will not have a garden here with out it wrapped in a electric fence .




ill also say , if things get better over the next four years we'll see less deer killed .

I think right now we’re just watching to see what the full scale of the impact is going to be so that we know how much we need to compensate with the new rules. Tags are probably a certainty and why everyone got that survey awhile back asking about them…..The question will be whether or not that will be enough to matter. Is reining in the number of people killing over the 3 buck limit enough to compensate for the amount of extra bucks being killed because of baiting?? My personal opinion is no and that it will take tags and taking away that third buck to make up for the extra we are taking in many of the places like Bradley mentioned….especially if you want to have any sense of quality…..OR……. they could limit all the extra out of state hunters that they’re letting in and giving out buck tags to…….Meh, that’ll never happen………

Or people can use a little self control and discipline by letting that 90 inch 2.5 yo 8 pt pass.

That's not something you can legislate with reduced limits and tags.

If you reduced the limit to 2 bucks with tags then a lot of hunters would get a lot choosier across the board about pulling the trigger…….Not everyone, but a bunch would.....

Nope.

I've been in so called trophy clubs that allowed one "mistake " buck. People just used that as an excuse to kill the 2.5 yo 8 pt. The mindset is that they paid dues so they are gonna kill something, management goals be damned.

This whole thread is what's killing deer hunting. Are we baiting too much?, are we killing too many bucks?, are we killing too many does?, are we killing the bucks too young?, are our food plots too small?, too large?, are the deer eating ryegrqss?, is a 243 too small to adequately kill deer?, should we till, drill, or throw and mow plots?, should we shoot the with antlers inside the ears?, should we kill piebalds?, should we eat the organ meat?, should we tan the hide or full body mount?, should we hunt in the morning on a full moon?, will ballistic tips kill cleanly?, should we hunt over water in droughts?, are we using too many tracking dogs to recover wounded deer?, are physical tags going to make cheating harder?, does proper habitat mgmt supercede predator mgmt?, blah... blah... blah...

The fact is, most of us hunt on those 500 acre or less land holdings that have been deemed unmanageable by most of the experts here and at Universities. So let's all move forward like we did before mossy oak and realtree screwed everything up and just go deer hunting and enjoy the woods, be happy when you see something, and be even happier when you kill something.

Some folks over the years couldn't figure out why deer didn't come to there property until they found out the neighbors shot all the deer over corn! Corn is not really the problem it's one group that can shoot most of the deer by hunting all the time. Corn is not really that good for deer due to it's low protein content. Folks really need to be planting more of other crops high in protein for deer. Either way kids a lot of time lose interest in hunting, period. I would rather a kid hunt over bait and take an interest in chasing yard birds at a young age with their little Daisy bb gun than stay in trouble all the time. A lot of city folks never may have a chance.

i dont agree , winter time corn is good for deer .

I see disease of overpopulation of people coming if it’s not already here to stay and just get worse.

aint what they keep saying on the news . birth rates are down . i've read that even China is gonna be hurting. sperm count is down in men from what it used to be too .

Until you have the ability to enforce the tagging system and the limits on bucks, you’re just pissin in the wind. When it takes 3 days for a GW to call you back, you’re not going to get much done. Some think that legalizing baiting freed up a lot of the GWs time but when you only have 1 GW in a county, it’s hard for them to catch someone killing more bucks then allowed. Heck where I live I see our GWs paws everyday heading to the local refuge headquarters where they have an office and we keep our Patrol boats. It would still be real easy for me to kill as many deer as o want and not check them in and never get caught because of my hunting set up right here at home. I have a shooting range here at my house and we shoot all the time so people hearing a shot would never raise and concern that I’d be shoot all those deer. It’s just to easy for some here and it’s way easier in Alabama to shoot over the limit. Do we do it? Well of course not!!! But I know some that do!! But where they do it doesn’t affect us so. Also it’s not the out of state hunters killing all the deer in Alabama. Well maybe them Florida guys are!! Also not to take away from Bradley but if Bradley doesn’t need to manage the deer, he needs to manage his neighbors. But we all know that most neighbors are assholes when it comes to deer management. Only way be could fix that problem is to buy out the asshole neighbors and we all know that is out the question in this day and age. However I do know of a really nice big chunk of prime hunting ground in South Monroe county that will probably be for sale in the next few years and Bradley could continue all the work we’ve been doing there since 2012/2013. And it has great neighbors that don’t hunt their property or let anyone hunt either.