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How to zero a cold bore #4232230
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I'm looking for your tips on how to zero a cold bore. I noticed that all my points of impact on my deer are a little higher than what I would have expected. It's pretty much worked out for me thus far, but it didn't even dawn on me until a few weeks ago that I am zeroing in a warm barrel at the range. I marked my cold barrel shot last weekend off my rifle rest and it next shot was 3 inches lower at 100 yards. That seems to track with what I have experienced in the field. All my shots have been at about 120-130 yards and they all seem to hit about 3 inches higher than where I was aiming.

So what's your technique for getting zero on a cold bore at the range? Letting the barrel cool 10 min between shots? How cool does the barrel need to be? Also, do you do a fouling shot? A clean bore will shoot differently than a fouled bore right?

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The way I did my last rifle was I went on morning and fired a shot at 100yds. I moved the reticles to point of impact. I put the gun up afor a few hours. Went back fired another shot and adjusted the scope. Put the rifle up for about an hour and moved out to 200yds. Fired a shot. Made adjustments. Waited another hour and verified the 200yd zero. Now I have my own range here at my house so I could do it that way. I would personally give a minimum of 30mins between shots if I could. However my new Tikka will shoot the same point of impact with a cold barrel as it does after 5 shots. I know this because I checked it on several occasions. My lighter weight Savage 110 with the thin barrel will walk after a couple shots. Not much but it does. No fouling shot or cleaning of the barrel when I did mine. I’m not saying this is the right way to do it, I’m saying this is how I did mine.


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Re: How to zero a cold bore [Re: ShootemupTex] #4232252
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Shoot, and without moving the gun, adjust reticle to match point of impact. Once the gun is cold, shoot again to confirm. Rinse and repeat.

Re: How to zero a cold bore [Re: ShootemupTex] #4232281
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Originally Posted by ShootemupTex
I'm looking for your tips on how to zero a cold bore. I noticed that all my points of impact on my deer are a little higher than what I would have expected. It's pretty much worked out for me thus far, but it didn't even dawn on me until a few weeks ago that I am zeroing in a warm barrel at the range. I marked my cold barrel shot last weekend off my rifle rest and it next shot was 3 inches lower at 100 yards. That seems to track with what I have experienced in the field. All my shots have been at about 120-130 yards and they all seem to hit about 3 inches higher than where I was aiming.

So what's your technique for getting zero on a cold bore at the range? Letting the barrel cool 10 min between shots? How cool does the barrel need to be? Also, do you do a fouling shot? A clean bore will shoot differently than a fouled bore right?

You have issues other than barrel temp. Id check scope base


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Re: How to zero a cold bore [Re: ShootemupTex] #4232292
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Is it just cold bore OR a clean, cold bore?

Clean bores often have a different POI and accuracy than a fouled bore. I have some rifles that I can pull out of the safe and go hunt without issues. Some need 2 fouling shots. I have one that needs about a dozen fouling shots before it will group accurately.


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Re: How to zero a cold bore [Re: ShootemupTex] #4232326
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How are you zeroing your weapon? At what distance?
I can boresght a bolt gun from my kitchen table looking at the corner of the living room. Luckily I have a 100 meter range at my camp so I do most of my shooting there. I set up at 25 yards with a rest and fire two shots. If they are consistent I adjust as needed to center, back up to 100, and fire two times. Adjust poi to poa. Test. I should be in the bull by now. If so I adjust the elevation if desired to account for my preferred point blank range.
If I have a number of different loads I may send through a rifle, for coyotes, hog only, target etc, I may test these at the same time and I’ll take notes on any differences in poi. Often these are more or less the same, some have been surprisingly different. I might do this over and hour and a half.

Re: How to zero a cold bore [Re: 300gr] #4232373
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Originally Posted by 300gr
Originally Posted by ShootemupTex
I'm looking for your tips on how to zero a cold bore. I noticed that all my points of impact on my deer are a little higher than what I would have expected. It's pretty much worked out for me thus far, but it didn't even dawn on me until a few weeks ago that I am zeroing in a warm barrel at the range. I marked my cold barrel shot last weekend off my rifle rest and it next shot was 3 inches lower at 100 yards. That seems to track with what I have experienced in the field. All my shots have been at about 120-130 yards and they all seem to hit about 3 inches higher than where I was aiming.

So what's your technique for getting zero on a cold bore at the range? Letting the barrel cool 10 min between shots? How cool does the barrel need to be? Also, do you do a fouling shot? A clean bore will shoot differently than a fouled bore right?

You have issues other than barrel temp. Id check scope base


Scope base is fine. Patterns tight. Just that first shot out of cold bore.

Re: How to zero a cold bore [Re: ShootemupTex] #4232378
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Are you cleaning vigorously after sight in? A few fouling shots can actually improve accuracy in a lot of rifles. And if you aren’t shooting corrosive ammo most hunting rifles can go a lot of rounds before needing a patch.

Re: How to zero a cold bore [Re: ShootemupTex] #4232387
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First thing I do is shoot a box of shells as fast as possible and plunge the barrel into an ice chest of dry ice.

I clean it and do it again.

My first 2 cleanings are with a tornado brush and a drill

I clean it then start dialing it in. I then plunge it to cool it off between shots.

Any rifle that doesn’t group one hole at 25 and touching at 100 for me gets sold.

I always chrono, do the ballistic chart and dial it in at 25 yards for whatever MPBR I choose, then I check it at 100 and 200. If its a snap sight-in without a chrono and calc I dead zero at 25 yards with average hunting calibers and its usually good nuff to 250 yards

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Re: How to zero a cold bore [Re: ShootemupTex] #4232419
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There’s something going on with your rifle, if it moves 3” after the first shot. I would try to figure out what’s causing that, cause it shouldn’t be doing that.


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Re: How to zero a cold bore [Re: AU338MAG] #4232421
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Originally Posted by AU338MAG
Is it just cold bore OR a clean, cold bore?

Clean bores often have a different POI and accuracy than a fouled bore. I have some rifles that I can pull out of the safe and go hunt without issues. Some need 2 fouling shots. I have one that needs about a dozen fouling shots before it will group accurately.


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Re: How to zero a cold bore [Re: marshmud991] #4232442
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Originally Posted by marshmud991
The way I did my last rifle was I went on morning and fired a shot at 100yds. I moved the reticles to point of impact. I put the gun up afor a few hours. Went back fired another shot and adjusted the scope. Put the rifle up for about an hour and moved out to 200yds. Fired a shot. Made adjustments. Waited another hour and verified the 200yd zero. Now I have my own range here at my house so I could do it that way. I would personally give a minimum of 30mins between shots if I could. However my new Tikka will shoot the same point of impact with a cold barrel as it does after 5 shots. I know this because I checked it on several occasions. My lighter weight Savage 110 with the thin barrel will walk after a couple shots. Not much but it does. No fouling shot or cleaning of the barrel when I did mine. I’m not saying this is the right way to do it, I’m saying this is how I did mine.

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Re: How to zero a cold bore [Re: ShootemupTex] #4232454
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Most of the rifles I've messed with usually handled 3 shots before the barrel heated up enough to affect POI. Each rifle is different though, so what you are experiencing could very well be 'normal' for your gun.

You have the right idea and others here have described the logical procesure. Shoot once, wait a period of time, then shoot again, wait a period of time, then shoot again... etc for as many shots as you want. Not sure what the length of time between shots should be? In cool/cold weather probably 10-15 mins? Maybe 30 as was suggested above?

If you know you are holding the gun steady, moving the reticle to match up with the impact on the first shot will work. If you are leery of your steadiness, then I'd shoot 2 or 3 shots as described above with the pause between shots, and adjust the scope to account for wherever your hopefully tight coldbore group landed with regard to the bullseye.


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Re: How to zero a cold bore [Re: ShootemupTex] #4232490
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Don’t know if has been mentioned but I had a guy tell me to have a target for his first shot each trip to the range and another target for the rest of the shots. That way you have a true cold bore first shot for comparison.


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Re: How to zero a cold bore [Re: ShootemupTex] #4232495
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Yall must be shooting some new cheap built pos if your having to worry about that. Cheap scope or loose mounts would be my guess. Another possibility is your ammo.

Re: How to zero a cold bore [Re: ShootemupTex] #4232499
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I've never even thought about any of this. Sight gun in and hunt. I've done just that with a lot of different guns and killed a lot of deer with no issues.

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Originally Posted by sw1002
I've never even thought about any of this. Sight gun in and hunt. I've done just that with a lot of different guns and killed a lot of deer with no issues.


I believe this is correct a huge majority of the time. A warm/heated barrel typically won't have a huge POI difference compared to the first shot or two.


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Could be any of these listed ^^^. Sometimes heat can be the culprit. Use bags, coats, or sled to get the most stable shots. I seen a guy at the range with a no touch lead sled with a bulb to squeeze to the trigger. Thought this is possibly one of the best setups, but I just use bags or anything to get a solid rest. I was using some 180 grain blue box and thought I had my rifle on zero. My grouping starting getting eratic the more I shot. I decided to rest on every shot until the gun cooled down to shoot again. Next shot was dead center of the bullseye. Some guns have a suggested ammo and just like certain ones. I try to buy at least two boxes of the same ammo. That way if something seems to be off with the ammo I will know. I will say it again, I hear some folks say certain guns can like certain ammo too. I can say I have seen that to be true. Always try to shoot some freehanded if you are sitting in an area deer can sneak up on you. Sometimes the deer don't know they shouldn't come from any direction. It is better to be more prepared than not.

Re: How to zero a cold bore [Re: ShootemupTex] #4232684
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POI should not be changing that much with just a few shots. How is it sighted in? depending on how it is sighted. you probably will be hitting a little higher at 120-130 than at 100. and could explain why you are hitting deer higher than expected. another question is when are you cleaning. if you are making that first shot with a clean oiled barrel, that might be the culprit. For a hunting rifle, you do not have to clean barrel very often. You should not clean or oil barrel between sighting in and going hunting.

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Originally Posted by N2TRKYS
There’s something going on with your rifle, if it moves 3” after the first shot. I would try to figure out what’s causing that, cause it shouldn’t be doing that.


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