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Re: Duck Activity - North AL [Re: Overland] #4244062
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I have never hunted anywhere for ducks than Jackson county al. I just wandered though with all the ducks I seen here in March last year are other places south of here better than they were in the past? That is also part of my theory that there was not water with food here when they first made their way down. I killed my first duck in these bottoms in 1967 so I do know a little of its history.

Re: Duck Activity - North AL [Re: cartervj] #4244163
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Originally Posted by cartervj
Talked to a guy today that said he’d live to see it go back to 3/30. I agreed wholeheartedly.

It’s gotten stupid and if you don’t have deep deep pockets duck hunting gonna be sporadic at best


I have to admit that is my best hope. It would leave the hardest of the hard core still hunting. There are a few public flooded timber holes that I would love to hit again but won't with the current amount of stupidity. Maybe even spend my son's inheritance on a piece of ground if prices dropped enough.

Re: Duck Activity - North AL [Re: cartervj] #4244200
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Originally Posted by cartervj
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Originally Posted by cartervj
Talked to a guy today that said he’d live to see it go back to 3/30. I agreed wholeheartedly.

It’s gotten stupid and if you don’t have deep deep pockets duck hunting gonna be sporadic at best

I agree completely. Sadly so much money has been poured into the state and local economy they’ll never change it. Best we could hope for are rest days or split seasons.



What got me going the other day was talking to a guy that’s hunted some of the best holes from the Delta thru Arkansas and over to Reel foot since the 90s, his family has connections. He made mention it’s been downhill since 2017 forward. Hes 15 years or so younger than myself and made mention his son will more than likely, will not know what it was like.


I have been lucky enough to hunt two really awesome places going back to the late 1980's. Chances made it where 2 of my best friend's families' farms are adjacent to wildlife refuges. One in MO and one in S. Illinois. I agree with the around 2017 time frame on ducks. Gone are the days of limiting out in an hour on ducks and geese. Now we get excited when we think we see a few new birds flying. That and killing a few local Canada geese.

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Been seeing more sandhills than ducks


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Re: Duck Activity - North AL [Re: Overland] #4244274
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What changed around 2017 that negatively impacted duck hunting?

Re: Duck Activity - North AL [Re: Overland] #4244286
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Originally Posted by Overland
What changed around 2017 that negatively impacted duck hunting?


I haven't researched the issue but my guess is that duck dynasty started in 2012 and was gaining in popularity bringing out a bunch more hunters. At about the same time it seemed like we had a stretch of warm winters that influenced the migration. Those two things could be some of it. Ducks can have high fidelity to past migrations. It only takes a few years to have a great impact.

Also, I know several people that travel north to duck hunt earlier in the year. From what I've been told it used to be easy just to go find a spot in North Dakota and ask permission. Now it is overrun. So, these ducks see lots of pressure all the way down the flyway. No wonder that by the time they reach the Mississippi Alluvial Plain (starting in southern Missouri and Illinois) they mainly feed at night and loaf on the refuges all day.

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Re: Duck Activity - North AL [Re: Overland] #4244304
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Also think that YouTube videos played a role in showing the good things of duck hunting. The decoys, calling to em, the boat ride, timber hole hunting ie. Then it got to be all about public land hunting and that flooded the scene. Not saying social media is to blame but it definitely had an impact. I also think farmers tiling their fields making them not hold water was another notch.

Re: Duck Activity - North AL [Re: YellaLineHunter] #4244420
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Originally Posted by Semo
Originally Posted by Overland
What changed around 2017 that negatively impacted duck hunting?


I haven't researched the issue but my guess is that duck dynasty started in 2012 and was gaining in popularity bringing out a bunch more hunters. At about the same time it seemed like we had a stretch of warm winters that influenced the migration. Those two things could be some of it. Ducks can have high fidelity to past migrations. It only takes a few years to have a great impact.

Also, I know several people that travel north to duck hunt earlier in the year. From what I've been told it used to be easy just to go find a spot in North Dakota and ask permission. Now it is overrun. So, these ducks see lots of pressure all the way down the flyway. No wonder that by the time they reach the Mississippi Alluvial Plain (starting in southern Missouri and Illinois) they mainly feed at night and loaf on the refuges all day.

Originally Posted by YellaLineHunter
Also think that YouTube videos played a role in showing the good things of duck hunting. The decoys, calling to em, the boat ride, timber hole hunting ie. Then it got to be all about public land hunting and that flooded the scene. Not saying social media is to blame but it definitely had an impact. I also think farmers tiling their fields making them not hold water was another notch.



A definite uptick in hunters and how many days afield. Not just days but longer hours per day. They’re hunting almost all day now. Back I the good old days it was rare to go past 8 for our group Andy times we were done by 7 and the ducks could have it after that. Now they get no rest all day or all season unless they find a refuge of some sort.

Another buggy is the likes of satellite imagery, there is no unknown holes


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Re: Duck Activity - North AL [Re: Overland] #4244422
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Weather is the main driver now instead traditional migration. Duck seasons are closed up north and they still have open water and available food. Why head south and get shot up.

The big ducks float the frozen line more than ever.

I used to see some federal GWs around north Alabama during the 80s and 90s. The only ones I see now are from the federal refuges.
I’m assuming they have federal officers follow the main migrations, maybe they don’t now 🤷‍♂️

Think of it this way. If you shoot deer off your Greenfields almost daily. I hat point do you quit seeing deer in your field during daylight hours. Cameras still get pics after dark.


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Re: Duck Activity - North AL [Re: cartervj] #4244444
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Originally Posted by cartervj
Originally Posted by Semo
Originally Posted by Overland
What changed around 2017 that negatively impacted duck hunting?


I haven't researched the issue but my guess is that duck dynasty started in 2012 and was gaining in popularity bringing out a bunch more hunters. At about the same time it seemed like we had a stretch of warm winters that influenced the migration. Those two things could be some of it. Ducks can have high fidelity to past migrations. It only takes a few years to have a great impact.

Also, I know several people that travel north to duck hunt earlier in the year. From what I've been told it used to be easy just to go find a spot in North Dakota and ask permission. Now it is overrun. So, these ducks see lots of pressure all the way down the flyway. No wonder that by the time they reach the Mississippi Alluvial Plain (starting in southern Missouri and Illinois) they mainly feed at night and loaf on the refuges all day.

Originally Posted by YellaLineHunter
Also think that YouTube videos played a role in showing the good things of duck hunting. The decoys, calling to em, the boat ride, timber hole hunting ie. Then it got to be all about public land hunting and that flooded the scene. Not saying social media is to blame but it definitely had an impact. I also think farmers tiling their fields making them not hold water was another notch.



A definite uptick in hunters and how many days afield. Not just days but longer hours per day. They’re hunting almost all day now. Back I the good old days it was rare to go past 8 for our group Andy times we were done by 7 and the ducks could have it after that. Now they get no rest all day or all season unless they find a refuge of some sort.

Another buggy is the likes of satellite imagery, there is no unknown holes

That last point is for sure. No longer boots on the ground scouting or secret spots passed down.

Re: Duck Activity - North AL [Re: Overland] #4244635
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Ok the fields finally have plenty of water. Nobody is hunting ,no pressure where are the ducks?

Re: Duck Activity - North AL [Re: kyles] #4244664
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Originally Posted by kyles
Ok the fields finally have plenty of water. Nobody is hunting ,no pressure where are the ducks?



Up north where the seasons are closed

Also remember that back in the day of a 30 day seasons it would just now be opening. It’s been open 2-3 weeks so there’s some added pressure up front


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Re: Duck Activity - North AL [Re: Overland] #4244669
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Greed is creating a lot of unhappy older hunters yet they’re being replaced by hunters out representing and happy just to have a few good hunts per season for all the cheers on social media.


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Re: Duck Activity - North AL [Re: Overland] #4244797
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The ducks are somewhere that they aren’t getting messed with and that you can’t see from a rd or a boat. Public land duck hunting went to squat 10 years ago. Even on the fine private land it seems like there’s less and less ducks until you have a year like this when you have water and nobody else does.


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Re: Duck Activity - North AL [Re: Overland] #4245036
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Well the same people that has the early water has the ducks. I am talking late October water been that way last 3 years. Fished a while this morning up at mud creek. Never saw the first duck. Heard several shots towards railroad bridge and green tree. 4 trucks in parking lot all crappie fishermen

Re: Duck Activity - North AL [Re: kyles] #4245788
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Originally Posted by kyles
Ok the fields finally have plenty of water. Nobody is hunting ,no pressure where are the ducks?


If pressure isn’t a factor why do ducks use refuges almost exclusively after the first two weeks of season? I’d be willing to bet there’s a substantial amount of ducks on wheeler right now. Why would they leave?

Re: Duck Activity - North AL [Re: Overland] #4246217
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BIL been hearing a lot of volleys in Danville area

I copie sthis below from a group on Facebook I can’t find the original now but they were doing areal waterfowl counts

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We got up for the aerial waterfowl survey of the Illinois and central Mississippi rivers on Monday, December 9th, 2024. After a couple of weeks of ice, we started to see some open water this week. Duck abundance remained above LTA along both the Illinois and Mississippi rivers this week. I estimated ~208,000 ducks in the IRV on Monday, a 23% drop from our last survey, but 7% above the 10-year average of ~195,000 ducks. Mallard abundance in the IRV, estimated at ~148,000, also remained above LTA this week (+12%). I estimated ~541,000 ducks on the central Mississippi river, a 15% decrease from last week but 4% above the 10-year average (~521,000). Mallard abundance (~252,000) remained relatively constant along the CMRV this week but fell 15% below the LTA.

Last week was hectic in the airplane, especially along the lower MS River as we observed a migration event during our peak combined with significant ice coverage concentrating birds. The partial thaw this week seems to have moved ducks around on the landscape, while simultaneously some birds are certainly moving on south. The theme of this week's survey was "birds in the air!" Indeed, my estimates on Pool 19 of the MS river and Goose Lake on the upper IL are likely conservative due to large flocks of birds moving around in the air. While boat traffic was the culprit on Pool 19, I'm still not sure what happened at Goose Lake. Regardless, it was a phenomenal sight watching waves of ducks moving to find open water.

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Re: Duck Activity - North AL [Re: Overland] #4246453
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Where did all the mallards I seen in turkey season winter? I mean is hard to know for certain but you seem more knowledgeable on this.

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Heck if I know but Id bet local birds that’s been released
I had a few mallards nesting in my duck hole during turkey season. Along with a pair of geese. I’d bet local birds on those too.

Back in the early 90s several flocks of Canada geese were released across north Alabama.
Many clubs and groups have been releasing thousands of mallards locally for some time now.


Its all messed up I’d bet


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Re: Duck Activity - North AL [Re: Overland] #4246536
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How much does it cost to get birds to release. I am not promoting it I just wandered

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