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Wild versus farm raised mallards #4249617
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There is several studies and I’m thinking none have any positive affects


https://www.fieldandstream.com/hunting/farm-raised-mallard-genetics

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One of the big questions surrounding waterfowl genetics, of course, is the impact of game-farm mallards. The duckDNA program allows hunters to send in a tissue sample (a piece of the tongue) and DU will then provide a genetic breakdown of the bird. Think of it as ancestry.com for ducks. “In exchange for submitting a bird, hunters receive a certificate of pedigree that tells them the genetic percentage makeup of the samples that they've selected,” says Brasher. “These results can determine whether the bird is a hundred percent wild mallard, a hundred percent wild black duck, or if it has some hybrid ancestry [including farm genetics].”

Ducks Unlimited emphasizes its interest in this project goes beyond just providing data for the study of game-farm genetics. That said, this program will undoubtedly help researchers gain a better understanding of farm genetics on the landscape. Last year DU enrolled 300 hunters with well over 4,000 applicants.
The study is nationwide, and duckDNA is focused on samples from the mallard family—black ducks, mallards, mottled ducks, and Mexican ducks, as well as any species of duck with a unique physical appearance. Ducks Unlimited also gives hunters who weren’t selected the opportunity to contact them if they shoot a unique hybrid. This year, they are looking to enroll 600 hunters in the duckDNA program.
Earlier this year, on New York’s opening day, I shot a mallard with unique coloring. Based on the appearance, I decided to submit a DNA sample to the duckDNA program. The results, along with an explanation of the sampling process, will be featured in a follow-up story.


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Re: Wild versus far raised mallards [Re: cartervj] #4249618
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I can think of a two game birds that are foreign
Chukkar and Pheasant are nonnative I wonder if they impacted native game birds.


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Re: Wild versus far raised mallards [Re: cartervj] #4249624
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Originally Posted by cartervj
I can think of a two game it’s that are foreign
Chukkar and Pheasant are nonnative I wonder if they impacted native game birds.

Pheasants don’t make it here in the south. I’ve heard it was a mineral deficiency that made the eggshells soft and I heard there was a mite issue as they didn’t dust like a turkey. Not sure on chukker but I’ve never seen one or know anyone that has seen/ killed one in the wild outside their native range.

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Originally Posted by YellaLineHunter
Originally Posted by cartervj
I can think of a two game it’s that are foreign
Chukkar and Pheasant are nonnative I wonder if they impacted native game birds.

Pheasants don’t make it here in the south. I’ve heard it was a mineral deficiency that made the eggshells soft and I heard there was a mite issue as they didn’t dust like a turkey. Not sure on chukker but I’ve never seen one or know anyone that has seen/ killed one in the wild outside their native range.



I know I’ve raise a few, both are of Asian decent and not American. Chukar took over the upper WNW and pheasant all over the Midwest.
I never had one live past late summer but know few guys that did. Then again theirs were raised in barns and sheltered. M sure the breeding operations across the area had much better success since they’re raising them in chicken houses. Chukar were my favorite pen raised hi table birds. They’d flat out fly hard or at least the ones I had did.

I was talking in America per say

Farm raised mallards have been released all over the country. Tupelo has several big clubs/lodges doing it for years

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Re: Wild versus far raised mallards [Re: cartervj] #4249685
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I gotcha. I was definitely limiting my comment to the south. I know in South Dakota the state releases birds based off harvest data. I think the kicker with ducks is the cross breeding that impacts their feeding and migration habits/ abilities

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So are the farm raised mallards a different duck from wild mallards? I guess they are somehow different or the genetics wouldn't be an issue, but I don't understand how. I know that tame turkeys are actually descendants of a subspecies of wild turkey that is now extinct, and that's the reason it's illegal to release a tame turkey. Why does the dcnr allow the release of the tame mallards if they can ruin the genetics of the wild ones?

It's not an issue for pheasants and other foreign species because there are no natives, but corrupting the genetics of a native bird oughta be criminal.

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I killed a chukker with a rock when I was a kid. Looked like a giant quail.


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Re: Wild versus far raised mallards [Re: poorcountrypreacher] #4249832
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Originally Posted by poorcountrypreacher

So are the farm raised mallards a different duck from wild mallards? I guess they are somehow different or the genetics wouldn't be an issue, but I don't understand how. I know that tame turkeys are actually descendants of a subspecies of wild turkey that is now extinct, and that's the reason it's illegal to release a tame turkey. Why does the dcnr allow the release of the tame mallards if they can ruin the genetics of the wild ones?

It's not an issue for pheasants and other foreign species because there are no natives, but corrupting the genetics of a native bird oughta be criminal.

Farm ducks have different bill design that keeps them from effectively feeding on natural forage. They’ve adapted a bill more suited to eat grain and pellet feed. They also have larger body with smaller wings making migration near impossible. The females also aren’t broody so they lay a bunch of eggs but don’t care for them. These characteristics have been found in first generation cross breeding and take atleast 3 generations to be worked out. I heard this from a biologist they had on the Mosey oak game keeper podcast.

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Enjoyed reading this because it is new to me. Don't they release a lot of banded birds somewhere in paint rock valley

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Originally Posted by YellaLineHunter
Originally Posted by poorcountrypreacher

So are the farm raised mallards a different duck from wild mallards? I guess they are somehow different or the genetics wouldn't be an issue, but I don't understand how. I know that tame turkeys are actually descendants of a subspecies of wild turkey that is now extinct, and that's the reason it's illegal to release a tame turkey. Why does the dcnr allow the release of the tame mallards if they can ruin the genetics of the wild ones?

It's not an issue for pheasants and other foreign species because there are no natives, but corrupting the genetics of a native bird oughta be criminal.

Farm ducks have different bill design that keeps them from effectively feeding on natural forage. They’ve adapted a bill more suited to eat grain and pellet feed. They also have larger body with smaller wings making migration near impossible. The females also aren’t broody so they lay a bunch of eggs but don’t care for them. These characteristics have been found in first generation cross breeding and take atleast 3 generations to be worked out. I heard this from a biologist they had on the Mosey oak game keeper podcast.


Thanks. It sounds like they need to start over with eggs from wild birds to develop a line that can be released into the wild.


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Originally Posted by YellaLineHunter
Originally Posted by poorcountrypreacher

So are the farm raised mallards a different duck from wild mallards? I guess they are somehow different or the genetics wouldn't be an issue, but I don't understand how. I know that tame turkeys are actually descendants of a subspecies of wild turkey that is now extinct, and that's the reason it's illegal to release a tame turkey. Why does the dcnr allow the release of the tame mallards if they can ruin the genetics of the wild ones?

It's not an issue for pheasants and other foreign species because there are no natives, but corrupting the genetics of a native bird oughta be criminal.

Farm ducks have different bill design that keeps them from effectively feeding on natural forage. They’ve adapted a bill more suited to eat grain and pellet feed. They also have larger body with smaller wings making migration near impossible. The females also aren’t broody so they lay a bunch of eggs but don’t care for them. These characteristics have been found in first generation cross breeding and take atleast 3 generations to be worked out. I heard this from a biologist they had on the Mosey oak game keeper podcast.



I’ve heard several different things and Kobe were good with the mixing of the wild and released. I’m sure that applies to all wild verses released anything.
It was funny when I had my quail, Chukar and pheasant pens and training my dog. It depended nominate what I was doing as to how it was seen.

It’s an expensive job endeavor but look what folks are willing to pay to hunt ducks and suddenly it becomes very much feasible.

I shorts quail preserve today that’s getting started and had a good time and birds flew well

As we age it seems ease of opportunities is paramount.


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Re: Wild versus far raised mallards [Re: kyles] #4250116
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Originally Posted by kyles
Enjoyed reading this because it is new to me. Don't they release a lot of banded birds somewhere in paint rock valley

From what I understand the Jones farm which is the land the first 5-6 miles up in the valley. Farm land and swamps that boarder the Paintrock river. They can flood and control water if needed. They released several 100 for several years in a row. as far as banded I’m not sure. I know of 2 banded wood ducks killed one from Maryland and one from Kentucky. This was several years ago.

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Re: Wild versus far raised mallards [Re: cartervj] #4250589
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Releasing farm raised mallards is a big problem. Apparently they don’t have the genetics to migrate and they interbreed and spread their lack of IQ. There are apparently also some big metabolic differences. A wild bird can fly hundreds and hundreds of miles in just a day or two. Domestic mallards certainly can not. And those genes get passed on.

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For those so inclined, there's a good MeatEater podcast about pen raised mallards and the effects they're having.

https://www.themeateater.com/listen/meateater/ep-490-duck-dna-are-wild-ducks-really-wild


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