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I just finished watching a video done by a wildlife biologist over in Mississippi, on does and twin fawns. This guy said in his video that most "average" does will birth twin fawns. He also said something that I have never thought about or heard of. He said research has proven that in breeding pens, and in the wild, 25% of the time the twin fawns the doe is carrying are sired by different bucks. Twin A is sired by buck #1 and twin B can be sired by buck #2. Never heard this and surely did not know it was possible. In this world we live in today, one cannot go through life blindly believing everything you see or read. You really have no way to know what is true or false without asking an expert. Matt, expound on this please. I'd like to hear your expert opinion. I can trust what I hear from you, I firmly believe.  All the rest of my fellow Aldeer members feel free to comment but Matt's answer will be what I hang my hat on... 
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That video is Dr Demariais, who was one of my MSU professors and mentors. He’s 100% correct. Does can be bred by multiple bucks, and her offspring can all be sired by different bucks UNLESS they’re identical twins from one split egg.
He’s also one of the very first deer biologist who explained to me that tooth wear aging past 2.5 is not a reliable aging method. I started paying attention to that afterwards and he’s 100% correct on that too.
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I’ve always heard this about dogs. Never though about deer.
Everything woke turns to shucks
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Thanks for the clarification. Something I had just never thought about. It's amazing to me how God makes all these things work, by His design.
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Been common knowledge for any years i thought .
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We had twin girls at school couple years ago that had different dads?? Upstanding young woman of course
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We have/see twin fawns seems like every year or so. Thanks for asking the question and thanks for the answer.
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Does can be bred by multiple bucks, and her offspring can all be sired by different bucks UNLESS they’re identical twins from one split egg. What’s the percentage of twins being born by a split egg?
83% of all statistics are made up.
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That video is Dr Demariais, who was one of my MSU professors and mentors. He’s 100% correct. Does can be bred by multiple bucks, and her offspring can all be sired by different bucks UNLESS they’re identical twins from one split egg.
He’s also one of the very first deer biologist who explained to me that tooth wear aging past 2.5 is not a reliable aging method. I started paying attention to that afterwards and he’s 100% correct on that too. Not to de rail the post, but what is the best aging source if not teeth?
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000 , I always if you could tell by the skull plate thickness.
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Does can be bred by multiple bucks, and her offspring can all be sired by different bucks UNLESS they’re identical twins from one split egg. What’s the percentage of twins being born by a split egg? I have no idea. The majority of twins are from two separate egg releases.
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Not to de rail the post, but what is the best aging source if not teeth?
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That video is Dr Demariais, who was one of my MSU professors and mentors. He’s 100% correct. Does can be bred by multiple bucks, and her offspring can all be sired by different bucks UNLESS they’re identical twins from one split egg.
He’s also one of the very first deer biologist who explained to me that tooth wear aging past 2.5 is not a reliable aging method. I started paying attention to that afterwards and he’s 100% correct on that too. Not to de rail the post, but what is the best aging source if not teeth? What I gathered from Matt’s post the other day is that teeth ARE the best thing to age a deer by (outside of multiple years of camera photos) but it’s not the wearing of the teeth you need to look at. There are a few companies that offer a testing/examining of the teeth that Matt says is much more accurate. I posted a link to one the other day when I stumbled across it and asked the question on here
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That video is Dr Demariais, who was one of my MSU professors and mentors. He’s 100% correct. Does can be bred by multiple bucks, and her offspring can all be sired by different bucks UNLESS they’re identical twins from one split egg.
He’s also one of the very first deer biologist who explained to me that tooth wear aging past 2.5 is not a reliable aging method. I started paying attention to that afterwards and he’s 100% correct on that too. Not to de rail the post, but what is the best aging source if not teeth? What I gathered from Matt’s post the other day is that teeth ARE the best thing to age a deer by (outside of multiple years of camera photos) but it’s not the wearing of the teeth you need to look at. There are a few companies that offer a testing/examining of the teeth that Matt says is much more accurate. I posted a link to one the other day when I stumbled across it and asked the question on here Yes, cementum annuli is the most accurate method without having a tag in its ear at birth.
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I just finished watching a video done by a wildlife biologist over in Mississippi, on does and twin fawns. This guy said in his video that most "average" does will birth twin fawns. He also said something that I have never thought about or heard of. He said research has proven that in breeding pens, and in the wild, 25% of the time the twin fawns the doe is carrying are sired by different bucks. Twin A is sired by buck #1 and twin B can be sired by buck #2. Never heard this and surely did not know it was possible. In this world we live in today, one cannot go through life blindly believing everything you see or read. You really have no way to know what is true or false without asking an expert. Matt, expound on this please. I'd like to hear your expert opinion. I can trust what I hear from you, I firmly believe. All the rest of my fellow Aldeer members feel free to comment but Matt's answer will be what I hang my hat on... It has happened to humans many times.
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Not to de rail the post, but what is the best aging source if not teeth?
The average hunter could probably afford to get that done but would probably not spend the coin to do it. $75.00 per deer. Not me.
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Not to de rail the post, but what is the best aging source if not teeth?
The average hunter could probably afford to get that done but would probably not spend the coin to do it. $75.00 per deer. Not me. If you send multiple teeth together it is a little cheaper. Our club payed for it out of dues. It’s not too bad.
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We had twin girls at school couple years ago that had different dads?? Upstanding young woman of course Do you have her number? Asking for a friend of course.😀
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Hey Gents, Thanks for the insightful information, I have always politely disputed our age reports from our land owner and have provided "game cam intel" when it was available. The excuse given is "we might miss a few due to the fact we are aging several hundreds of jaw bones"
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