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Re: TSS buckshot [Re: hawndog] #4266583
01/15/25 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by hawndog
Originally Posted by Frankie
ok i got a question and i know its splitting hairs . if you look up buck shot the smallest is #4 its 0.24

tss t shot is 0.20 .


now the regs say buckshot , slugs and round ball .


question is ,,,, yall sure tss t shot is legal to deer hunt with . ?

Tss site refers to it as buckshot. I’m going with that if it ever becomes an issue. Also. It would have to be a hand load. Unless gw wanted to cut open shell there is no way to tell what is in it.




our laws dont see it as buckshot . it see it as water fowl ammo , shot not buckshot .

Re: TSS buckshot [Re: hawndog] #4266608
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Originally Posted by hawndog
Maybe. I have no experience with tss. My thought is that tss could make the 410 a more capable killer than the 20 gauge with conventional lead. Maybe that is wrong. But that is my starting point. Buckshot77’s experience with it seems to line up with that
Originally Posted by blade
Originally Posted by YellaLineHunter
Would a 28 gauge foot the bill a little better than 410? Just making conversation.


A 410 is an experts gun not a kids gun. It frustrates even an average adult shooter on anything but something in the wide open standing still. A 28 would certainly be better but a 20 would be great. Most kids are killing deer with good rests at reasonable distances and probably most of the time with a lot of help from Dad. Hard to do that running dogs. Just my 2 cents.



Load up some and take it and shoot a couple deer with it yourself and see how it performs, then you will have a good idea if your son will have a chance at being successful with it.

Re: TSS buckshot [Re: hawndog] #4266653
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Originally Posted by hawndog
Originally Posted by Frankie
ok i got a question and i know its splitting hairs . if you look up buck shot the smallest is #4 its 0.24

tss t shot is 0.20 .


now the regs say buckshot , slugs and round ball .


question is ,,,, yall sure tss t shot is legal to deer hunt with . ?

Tss site refers to it as buckshot. I’m going with that if it ever becomes an issue. Also. It would have to be a hand load. Unless gw wanted to cut open shell there is no way to tell what is in it.


I’ll bet Ol Mr green jeans will have no problem cutting open shells or anything else he has to do if he thinks you are violating game laws.


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Re: TSS buckshot [Re: thayerp81] #4266681
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Originally Posted by thayerp81
Originally Posted by Beadlescomb
I think it would be awesome for hogs in wmas and corp land where the season dictates what you can hunt with


I've thought the same thing, TSS even in smaller sizes would be big medicine on hogs at reasonable distances. I notice the Reg. calls out "standard #4 shot or smaller" as allowable arms for shotgun during regular small game season. I've always wondered how the law interprets the word "standard" and if #4 TSS would be included as "standard" I figure I'll ask a game warden the next time I run into one, but its been a few years since I've seen one.


We shot them with bows during early goose. You just work within the laws. If its legal for ducks it's legal for hogs


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Re: TSS buckshot [Re: hawndog] #4266702
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At the ranges I would be comfortable with a kid shooting a deer I don't know why just standard ole lead shot would not work. I'd just load up some #4 buck and skip all this I don't think I'd be trying to get a kid to shoot a deer at 60 yards with TSS that's about the only place I would see it as having an advantage. Just a few more pellets in the air at long range that carry the energy better. That's certainly something to like... but for a kid I would be worried about losing a deer shooting that far with a .410. Just can't physically get enough shot in the shell for that range. Seems sketchy but not a terrible idea I see what we're trying to do.

I've shot a lot of hogs with #4 Buck and it dusts off the little ones without issue.... but those big fellers with the hair standing up on their backs are tough as a bucket of rusty nails and seem to understand a face full of 00 better. But I guess that only really matters if you care to go look for them after they run off. Which I gave up on. TSS might do better on the heavy set ones I would just have to try it and see.


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Re: TSS buckshot [Re: hawndog] #4266729
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A 3 inch .410 holds 5 000 pellets, and would certainly do the job with the right pattern. But if there is a better option why not take advantage of it?

Re: TSS buckshot [Re: Bustinbeards] #4266737
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Originally Posted by Bustinbeards
Originally Posted by hawndog
Originally Posted by Frankie
ok i got a question and i know its splitting hairs . if you look up buck shot the smallest is #4 its 0.24

tss t shot is 0.20 .


now the regs say buckshot , slugs and round ball .


question is ,,,, yall sure tss t shot is legal to deer hunt with . ?

Tss site refers to it as buckshot. I’m going with that if it ever becomes an issue. Also. It would have to be a hand load. Unless gw wanted to cut open shell there is no way to tell what is in it.


I’ll bet Ol Mr green jeans will have no problem cutting open shells or anything else he has to do if he thinks you are violating game laws.

I do not believe that would be violating any game laws. law says buckshot without defining buckshot. Smaller size tss (F,T,BB) could and should be considered buckshot.

Re: TSS buckshot [Re: hawndog] #4266861
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Welllllll ,,,, its illegal. I was told if a lot of guys wanted to use it they need to go to the meetings and bring it up for consideration.

Re: TSS buckshot [Re: hawndog] #4267238
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You can stuff 13 T’s in a 3in 410 hull. I loaded some for my 410 double barrel to try and thump a doe with . My regular hunting load is a 20ga with 33 pellets. 23 T’s and 10 F’s.its a monster


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Re: TSS buckshot [Re: hyco] #4267770
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Originally Posted by hyco
You can stuff 13 T’s in a 3in 410 hull. I loaded some for my 410 double barrel to try and thump a doe with . My regular hunting load is a 20ga with 33 pellets. 23 T’s and 10 F’s.its a monster

How much does an F weigh? I been thinking about trying a duplex BB/F load. Maybe an ounce of each. I'm happy with Ts, just thinking. Seems to me 32 BBs+ whatever an ounce of Fs is, would cover all the bases.

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Originally Posted by Buckshot77
Originally Posted by hyco
You can stuff 13 T’s in a 3in 410 hull. I loaded some for my 410 double barrel to try and thump a doe with . My regular hunting load is a 20ga with 33 pellets. 23 T’s and 10 F’s.its a monster

How much does an F weigh or rather, how many are in an ounce? I been thinking about trying a duplex BB/F load. Maybe an ounce of each. I'm happy with Ts, just thinking. Seems to me 32 BBs+ whatever an ounce of Fs is, would cover all the bases.

Re: TSS buckshot [Re: Buckshot77] #4272175
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Originally Posted by Buckshot77
Originally Posted by hyco
You can stuff 13 T’s in a 3in 410 hull. I loaded some for my 410 double barrel to try and thump a doe with . My regular hunting load is a 20ga with 33 pellets. 23 T’s and 10 F’s.its a monster

How much does an F weigh? I been thinking about trying a duplex BB/F load. Maybe an ounce of each. I'm happy with Ts, just thinking. Seems to me 32 BBs+ whatever an ounce of Fs is, would cover all the bases.

16 F’s weigh 395.60grains


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Re: TSS buckshot [Re: hyco] #4272621
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Originally Posted by hyco
Originally Posted by Buckshot77
Originally Posted by hyco
You can stuff 13 T’s in a 3in 410 hull. I loaded some for my 410 double barrel to try and thump a doe with . My regular hunting load is a 20ga with 33 pellets. 23 T’s and 10 F’s.its a monster

How much does an F weigh? I been thinking about trying a duplex BB/F load. Maybe an ounce of each. I'm happy with Ts, just thinking. Seems to me 32 BBs+ whatever an ounce of Fs is, would cover all the bases.

16 F’s weigh 395.60grains
Good to know, Thanks

Re: TSS buckshot [Re: Frankie] #4272647
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Originally Posted by Frankie
Welllllll ,,,, its illegal. I was told if a lot of guys wanted to use it they need to go to the meetings and bring it up for consideration.



Do you know which regulation or law?


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Re: TSS buckshot [Re: cartervj] #4272665
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Originally Posted by cartervj
Originally Posted by Frankie
Welllllll ,,,, its illegal. I was told if a lot of guys wanted to use it they need to go to the meetings and bring it up for consideration.



Do you know which regulation or law?



Alabama 220-2-02 legal arms and ammunition and equipment for hunting

"Gun Deer Season
1. Rifles using centerfire, mushrooming ammunition.
2. Pre-charged pneumatic air powered guns, .30 caliber or larger.
3. Pre-charged pneumatic arrow shooting rifles using an arrow equipped with a broadhead which has a minimum cutting diameter of 7/8 inch and 2 sharpened edges.
4. Shotguns, 10 gauge or smaller using buckshot, slugs, or single round ball.
5. Muzzle-loaders and Black Powder Handguns--.40 caliber or larger.
6. Long bows, compound bows, or crossbows in conformance with 220-2-.03.
7. Handguns or pistols using centerfire, mushrooming ammunition."

The smallest buckshot by definition is #4 buck @ 0.240" They would need to add verbiage to allow for a minimum weight per pellet, sectional density or some other metric that could allow appropriately sized TSS/ HeaviShot to be used also.

Re: TSS buckshot [Re: cartervj] #4272707
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Originally Posted by cartervj
Originally Posted by Frankie
Welllllll ,,,, its illegal. I was told if a lot of guys wanted to use it they need to go to the meetings and bring it up for consideration.



Do you know which regulation or law?



Its illegal because its not buckshot. Or the size of #4 buck and bigger

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Re: TSS buckshot [Re: hawndog] #4272849
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TSS is lethal much further than lead. IF you're using buckshot because you think it's safer because the pellets lose energy quickly, then that is something to think about.

Re: TSS buckshot [Re: hawndog] #4272897
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To put simple what my GW told me is that T shot is not buck shot.

If you use steel shot that as big as #4 BUCK SHOT or bigger its legal to use as buckshot

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