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Re: Tags [Re: CNC] #4266272
01/15/25 03:22 PM
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So it's kinda like a gun ban would stop murder? Right. Whoever is not following the rules now, they probably have no intentions of doing so in the future...

Re: Tags [Re: CNC] #4266282
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OK I've calmed down a bit. It seems that people believe the problem is that with land broken up the way it is, people are able to legally shoot more than what their property can support which negatively affects the larger property owners around them (CNC refers to them as "people that matter"). How about a compromise? To get a tag you have to show where you have access to at least 80 acres. That will allow you to buy one tag. To get additional tags you need to have a separate parcel of land of a least 80 acres. Or you can buy an additional tag for each 300 acres that you hunt. That is just for bucks. For does we can eliminate the land requirement for each tag, but you still have to buy them. This is going to be expensive in terms of administration. so, we just charge for each tag. Money can also be used to hire more game wardens, because this is all meaningless without a means of enforcement. We can play with the numbers, but as a starting point, $100 for each buck tag and $200 for each doe tag. Why is the doe tag more you might ask. That is due to the fact that there is no land requirement or limit for them, so without the cost, people would just choose to shoot does.

Re: Tags [Re: CNC] #4266283
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Originally Posted by CNC
I would fully expect there to be a good many folks who are against it…….there’s likely a good many folks shooting over the limit…..At some point though you got to realize that allowing everyone to sit over a corn pile on every 10 acres and shoot as many little bucks as everyone wants to shoot is phucking it up for everyone in the area……and there are folks who matter who put a lot of money and time into their properties who are being impacted…..Matt has tried to tell you the same thing…..This is what y’all arent seeing if you think what I say here is what really matters…….. What’s occurring on these people’s properties is what matters for real, for real …This is why change will occur.....Like I said, its paying the piper for getting to bait....…Heck, I just got off the phone with someone telling me about their place that traditionally sees a lot of deer being way off from it used to be.....There's a real impact occurring in some areas


Harold, you and I have talked and agree on a lot. However, everyone on 10 acres is not sitting on a corn pile and shooting every deer in the area. Some are putting time into their property and enjoy it just like the ones that spend $10k a year or more. Just because you just got off the phone with someone telling you that they’re not seeing as many deer does not mean it is everyone and that we need more regulations.

Matt might agree with you on some items but I think you are taking out of context that Matt has tried to tell us all the same thing.

Corn isn’t the issue in my opinion. I can kill more mature bucks because of trail cameras than corn. Far more.

Likewise I think all your proposal will do is cause those that self regulate now to get more pissed off at Montgomery trying to shove more regs down our throats that we either do become outlaws by ignoring them or we stop all together.

Side note - I have operated in the boundaries of the current laws for over 30 years. Sooner or later I will just quit hunting. Shooting birds is more fun anyway.

Re: Tags [Re: CNC] #4266289
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Public land would have to be managed a bit differently. We will have to leave that largely up to the biologist that work in each area to come up with what they need done on each property then sell tags based on those needs. Of course this will cost lot money. That will be covered by the cost of the tags.

Re: Tags [Re: CNC] #4266292
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An actual tag system wouldn't bother me. I do the gamecheck when I kill something but also have never killed more than 2 (maybe 3 bucks) in a year

Re: Tags [Re: hawndog] #4266294
01/15/25 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by hawndog
OK I've calmed down a bit. It seems that people believe the problem is that with land broken up the way it is, people are able to legally shoot more than what their property can support which negatively affects the larger property owners around them (CNC refers to them as "people that matter"). How about a compromise? To get a tag you have to show where you have access to at least 80 acres. That will allow you to buy one tag. To get additional tags you need to have a separate parcel of land of a least 80 acres. Or you can buy an additional tag for each 300 acres that you hunt. That is just for bucks. For does we can eliminate the land requirement for each tag, but you still have to buy them. This is going to be expensive in terms of administration. so, we just charge for each tag. Money can also be used to hire more game wardens, because this is all meaningless without a means of enforcement. We can play with the numbers, but as a starting point, $100 for each buck tag and $200 for each doe tag. Why is the doe tag more you might ask. That is due to the fact that there is no land requirement or limit for them, so without the cost, people would just choose to shoot does.


That sounds like a reg dreamed up by a democrat legislator.

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Re: Tags [Re: jhardy] #4266297
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Originally Posted by jhardy
Likewise I think all your proposal will do is cause those that self regulate now to get more pissed off at Montgomery trying to shove more regs down our throats that we either do become outlaws by ignoring them or we stop all together.


We already have a three buck limit……Why would anyone who abides by that care if the state made it easier to enforce on the ones who aren't?? I would think they would support it especially if they’re someone being impacted

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Re: Tags [Re: CNC] #4266299
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Re: Tags [Re: CNC] #4266300
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Originally Posted by CNC
Originally Posted by jhardy
Likewise I think all your proposal will do is cause those that self regulate now to get more pissed off at Montgomery trying to shove more regs down our throats that we either do become outlaws by ignoring them or we stop all together.


We already have a three buck limit……Why would anyone who abides by that care if the state made it easier to enforce on the ones who aren't?? I would think they would support it especially if they’re someone being impacted

When you only have 1 GW maybe two per county laws are hard to enforce. Need more boots on the ground if you want any type of real rule enforcement. Been hunting in Al since 1989 never been checked once by GW.

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Re: Tags [Re: jhardy] #4266306
01/15/25 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by jhardy


Harold, you and I have talked and agree on a lot. However, everyone on 10 acres is not sitting on a corn pile and shooting every deer in the area.

Corn isn’t the issue in my opinion.


Enough are though to have a pretty significant impact…..Some small properties are shooting 1…..some are shooting 3……some are shooting more……Had a call over the weekend for the second one needed tracked of the season for someone out of the same backyard…..I’m just saying, extrapolate the numbers out that are being killed for every backyard and 10 acre parcel and it matters…..and yes corn is the root of that issue……

Btw.....y'all slay me acting like I form my opinion based on that one phone call or something.... grin

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Re: Tags [Re: CNC] #4266313
01/15/25 04:32 PM
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Re: Tags [Re: CNC] #4266315
01/15/25 04:35 PM
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Im not for a tag system, im.not for any government regulations really , that's just me. But if you want to control how many deer are killed the only way to do it is a tag system. I mentioned this on one of your other idiotic threads, and you referred to me as the "peanut gallery " now your suggesting it. I think you just want to eff with the state until they start passing new laws and you really don't care what they are.

Re: Tags [Re: Driveby] #4266319
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Originally Posted by Driveby
Originally Posted by hawndog
OK I've calmed down a bit. It seems that people believe the problem is that with land broken up the way it is, people are able to legally shoot more than what their property can support which negatively affects the larger property owners around them (CNC refers to them as "people that matter"). How about a compromise? To get a tag you have to show where you have access to at least 80 acres. That will allow you to buy one tag. To get additional tags you need to have a separate parcel of land of a least 80 acres. Or you can buy an additional tag for each 300 acres that you hunt. That is just for bucks. For does we can eliminate the land requirement for each tag, but you still have to buy them. This is going to be expensive in terms of administration. so, we just charge for each tag. Money can also be used to hire more game wardens, because this is all meaningless without a means of enforcement. We can play with the numbers, but as a starting point, $100 for each buck tag and $200 for each doe tag. Why is the doe tag more you might ask. That is due to the fact that there is no land requirement or limit for them, so without the cost, people would just choose to shoot does.


That sounds like a reg dreamed up by a democrat legislator.

Maybe so, but that is what it will take to be able to limit what people do with 10 acres and a corn pile without hurting the "people that matter".

Re: Tags [Re: Driveby] #4266321
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Originally Posted by Driveby
I'm old enough to remember what it was like to "just go hunting". Why people think jumping through all these hoops is better is beyond me.



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Re: Tags [Re: CNC] #4266322
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Originally Posted by CNC
Originally Posted by hawndog
If you do not hunt quit worrying about the regs. There. Fixed.


Well it does affect me……When there is no quality to be shot at then there is no quality to be tracked…..


bulldoodoo...I see a ton of successful track pics of deer that needed 2 or 3 more years.


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Re: Tags [Re: CNC] #4266328
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Maybe one day the state will legislate some of these guys into killing a good deer. I mean, that's basically what they are asking for.


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Re: Tags [Re: CNC] #4266330
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The guys that are breaking the law will just use someone else's tag


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Re: Tags [Re: hawndog] #4266331
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Originally Posted by hawndog
OK I've calmed down a bit. It seems that people believe the problem is that with land broken up the way it is, people are able to legally shoot more than what their property can support which negatively affects the larger property owners around them (CNC refers to them as "people that matter"). How about a compromise? To get a tag you have to show where you have access to at least 80 acres. That will allow you to buy one tag. To get additional tags you need to have a separate parcel of land of a least 80 acres. Or you can buy an additional tag for each 300 acres that you hunt. That is just for bucks. For does we can eliminate the land requirement for each tag, but you still have to buy them. This is going to be expensive in terms of administration. so, we just charge for each tag. Money can also be used to hire more game wardens, because this is all meaningless without a means of enforcement. We can play with the numbers, but as a starting point, $100 for each buck tag and $200 for each doe tag. Why is the doe tag more you might ask. That is due to the fact that there is no land requirement or limit for them, so without the cost, people would just choose to shoot does.


Let's make them $500 ea no land requirements and buy as many as you want. You have to buy them all at once when you purchase your liscense. They expire with your liscense no rollover. That should cut down on the yard hunters, right?

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Originally Posted by Driveby
Maybe one day the state will legislate some of these guys into killing a good deer. I mean, that's basically what they are asking for.


BINGO...all these threads about bait, limits, regs, etc all have 1 narrative.


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Re: Tags [Re: eclipse829] #4266333
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Originally Posted by eclipse829
Originally Posted by Driveby
Maybe one day the state will legislate some of these guys into killing a good deer. I mean, that's basically what they are asking for.


BINGO...all these threads about bait, limits, regs, etc all have 1 narrative.


Yes.....money matters........people spending big money to buy recreational hunting properties matter…….This seems to be the way the game is played….I didn’t make the rules


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