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Re: Whitetail deer home range…
[Re: Peach]
#4268848
01/19/25 03:44 PM
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Elmore County
Frankie
Old Mossy Horns
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Old Mossy Horns
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If everyone in Alabama was on board with managing for big mature whitetail, we would probably be shocked at what we started killing in a few years! I think states like Iowa, Missouri, Illinois, Kansas, Texas are more inclined to do this. I would certainly be on board! Just move to one of those states and be happy instead of trying to force rules on 1000 and 1000 of other hunters
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Re: Whitetail deer home range…
[Re: 2Dogs]
#4268853
01/19/25 03:49 PM
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Frankie
Old Mossy Horns
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It is very possible to have more than 1 mature buck per 1,000 acres, that is if mature means 4yo and older. The other parts of the above MSU study come as no surprise. They're all individuals. I got pictures to back that I've posted them here before
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Re: Whitetail deer home range…
[Re: hallb]
#4268896
01/19/25 04:20 PM
01/19/25 04:20 PM
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Joined: Aug 2018
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Georgia and Missouri
Semo
12 point
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12 point
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Georgia and Missouri
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So should I just quit hunting or shoot everything I see because nothing matters? Pretty much if you have neighbors doing the same.
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Re: Whitetail deer home range…
[Re: hallb]
#4268908
01/19/25 04:31 PM
01/19/25 04:31 PM
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Elmore County
Frankie
Old Mossy Horns
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Old Mossy Horns
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So should I just quit hunting or shoot everything I see because nothing matters? No , I didn't. I knew that if I did kill a young one for a fact it wasn't getting older . I saw a good many I let go get killed but I saw a few that made it for years . Had i been in right spot at the right time id got them .
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Re: Whitetail deer home range…
[Re: Peach]
#4268917
01/19/25 04:45 PM
01/19/25 04:45 PM
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Clarksville, TN /Greenville, ...
bill
Freak of Nature
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If everyone in Alabama was on board with managing for big mature whitetail, we would probably be shocked at what we started killing in a few years! I think states like Iowa, Missouri, Illinois, Kansas, Texas are more inclined to do this. I would certainly be on board! You might think that by but you'd be wrong. The reason the Midwest has bigger deer is agriculture and very limited gun seasons. Lots of Alabama hunters think if they could just get government to stop their neighbors from killing young bucks they'd have big bucks running everywhere. The truth is most of those same folks complaining aren't willing to give up their 3 month gun season in exchange for more mature bucks. There is a misconception that Midwest folks have more restraint but I have read numerous studies that indicate the average buck killed in Illinois is a 2 year old 100" deer. Human nature doesn't change by geography. They slaughter the young ones too but they have a shorter window to do it with a gun. If you wanna see more big deer lobby for a 1 or 2 week gun season that falls outside the rut. I bet that dog won't hunt with most of the whiners and complainers.
" I do view Jim Waltz as a really good Presidential candidate"
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Re: Whitetail deer home range…
[Re: bill]
#4268928
01/19/25 04:56 PM
01/19/25 04:56 PM
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Georgia and Missouri
Semo
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Georgia and Missouri
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If everyone in Alabama was on board with managing for big mature whitetail, we would probably be shocked at what we started killing in a few years! I think states like Iowa, Missouri, Illinois, Kansas, Texas are more inclined to do this. I would certainly be on board! You might think that by but you'd be wrong. The reason the Midwest has bigger deer is agriculture and very limited gun seasons. Lots of Alabama hunters think if they could just get government to stop their neighbors from killing young bucks they'd have big bucks running everywhere. The truth is most of those same folks complaining aren't willing to give up their 3 month gun season in exchange for more mature bucks. There is a misconception that Midwest folks have more restraint but I have read numerous studies that indicate the average buck killed in Illinois is a 2 year old 100" deer. Human nature doesn't change by geography. They slaughter the young ones too but they have a shorter window to do it with a gun. If you wanna see more big deer lobby for a 1 or 2 week gun season that falls outside the rut. I bet that dog won't hunt with most of the whiners and complainers. Getting rid of the dang crossbows is the key. 1 week gun, 1 week muzzleloader, and only trad archery equipment (except for disability) and lots of bucks survive. Worked for decades until they wanted to increase harvest. Every kid, grandmother, and non-practicing adult has a crossbow now. Lots of increased pressure and many more non-recovered deer.
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Re: Whitetail deer home range…
[Re: Lonster]
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01/19/25 05:11 PM
01/19/25 05:11 PM
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Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 24,582
Awbarn, AL
CNC
Dances With Weeds
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Dances With Weeds
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Awbarn, AL
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The last two deer I've tracked today the hunters said was the first time they ever saw them.....no pics......They wandering for sure
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Re: Whitetail deer home range…
[Re: Lonster]
#4268944
01/19/25 05:26 PM
01/19/25 05:26 PM
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Awbarn, AL
CNC
Dances With Weeds
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Dances With Weeds
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Awbarn, AL
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It's the states deer.....They can manage then how they want.....It isn't up to every individual to decide how many is ok for you to shoot ....That's what the DCNR is for......Many folks don't know enough or have enough self restraint to make sound decisions...Blows my mind how folks think that buying a hunting license buys you the right to shoot however many you want
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Re: Whitetail deer home range…
[Re: Lonster]
#4268949
01/19/25 05:35 PM
01/19/25 05:35 PM
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Clanton
Turkey_neck
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Booner
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Clanton
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I have no delusions on how big a deers home range is. It’s sad that you can go from having deer of these calibers to not being able to keep and dang 2yr old alive anymore. These were joint efforts to grow these deer with the neighbors I had to deal with at the time. //postimg.cc/D8knW1MP] ![[Linked Image]](https://i.postimg.cc/kXD4pcNz/IMG-3960.png) [/url] postimages.org/] ![[Linked Image]](https://i.postimg.cc/zGgfJGck/IMG-2418.jpg) [/url] /postimg.cc/06QsgnzP] ![[Linked Image]](https://i.postimg.cc/jj6d7kKw/77-E796-B4-DF3-D-497-F-BF06-3-BDF5-A4-C4-FFD-L0-001.jpg) [/url]
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Re: Whitetail deer home range…
[Re: bill]
#4268963
01/19/25 06:03 PM
01/19/25 06:03 PM
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Central AL
T-hatchie
3 point
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Central AL
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If everyone in Alabama was on board with managing for big mature whitetail, we would probably be shocked at what we started killing in a few years! I think states like Iowa, Missouri, Illinois, Kansas, Texas are more inclined to do this. I would certainly be on board! You might think that by but you'd be wrong. The reason the Midwest has bigger deer is agriculture and very limited gun seasons. Lots of Alabama hunters think if they could just get government to stop their neighbors from killing young bucks they'd have big bucks running everywhere. The truth is most of those same folks complaining aren't willing to give up their 3 month gun season in exchange for more mature bucks. There is a misconception that Midwest folks have more restraint but I have read numerous studies that indicate the average buck killed in Illinois is a 2 year old 100" deer. Human nature doesn't change by geography. They slaughter the young ones too but they have a shorter window to do it with a gun. If you wanna see more big deer lobby for a 1 or 2 week gun season that falls outside the rut. I bet that dog won't hunt with most of the whiners and complainers. Pin Bill’s comment for every time this discussion comes up. The secret sauce is very simply a shortened overall season, a 9 to 14 day firearms split outside of peak rut, and a two buck per license limit (one for gun, one for other). Alabama would see an improved age structure and many more mega bucks taken over the shorter season versus the longer one.
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Re: Whitetail deer home range…
[Re: bill]
#4269017
01/19/25 07:01 PM
01/19/25 07:01 PM
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Posts: 21,620
colbert county
cartervj
Freak of Nature
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Freak of Nature
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colbert county
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If everyone in Alabama was on board with managing for big mature whitetail, we would probably be shocked at what we started killing in a few years! I think states like Iowa, Missouri, Illinois, Kansas, Texas are more inclined to do this. I would certainly be on board! You might think that by but you'd be wrong. The reason the Midwest has bigger deer is agriculture and very limited gun seasons. Lots of Alabama hunters think if they could just get government to stop their neighbors from killing young bucks they'd have big bucks running everywhere. The truth is most of those same folks complaining aren't willing to give up their 3 month gun season in exchange for more mature bucks. There is a misconception that Midwest folks have more restraint but I have read numerous studies that indicate the average buck killed in Illinois is a 2 year old 100" deer. Human nature doesn't change by geography. They slaughter the young ones too but they have a shorter window to do it with a gun. If you wanna see more big deer lobby for a 1 or 2 week gun season that falls outside the rut. I bet that dog won't hunt with most of the whiners and complainers. Same thing was happening in Wisconsin when I was hunting up there. 9 day gun season and the guys I knew said Saturday morning antlers Saturday afternoon whatever they see. It was about killing their deer for the year for the freezer. After seeing the quality of their deer versus the hardiness seeing here. I kinda lost my zest. Not saying Alabama doesn’t have potential especially in certain areas. But the average whatever buck there was what we call good ones and shooters here. It was rare to see a 1.5 yr old less than an 8 from what I saw.
“Socialism only works in two places: Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they already have it.” ― Ronald Reagan
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Re: Whitetail deer home range…
[Re: Lonster]
#4269106
01/19/25 08:16 PM
01/19/25 08:16 PM
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Posts: 24,582
Awbarn, AL
CNC
Dances With Weeds
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Dances With Weeds
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 24,582
Awbarn, AL
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I don’t get the idea that folks throw out when they say “I don’t need the state telling me how many deer to shoot!!”…..
Yes you do……That is the very reason we have a DCNR that sets season dates and bag limits……because the public needs someone to set those limits for them……If you think you have the right to decide how many deer you should be able to shoot then why don’t you have the same right to deer hunt any month of the year you choose as well?.....
Last edited by CNC; 01/19/25 08:17 PM.
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