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Re: who's on the plane!
[Re: AU338MAG]
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01/30/25 09:53 AM
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Northport, AL
GomerPyle
Impatient Stinky Britches Wearin’ Off-Roadin’ Guru
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According to Aldeerians, there's ALWAYS a conspiracy. some of that is just human nature.....we don't want to accept that sometimes, "crap just happens" because it makes us feel out of control. We'd rather believe that bad things are intentional because then we can trick ourselves into thinking we may be able to have a little control over it
There are 3 certainties in an uncertain world:
1. All Politicians Are Liars
2. All Gun Laws Are an Infringement
3. Taxation Is Theft
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Re: who's on the plane!
[Re: GomerPyle]
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01/30/25 10:12 AM
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Andalusia
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According to Aldeerians, there's ALWAYS a conspiracy. some of that is just human nature.....we don't want to accept that sometimes, "crap just happens" because it makes us feel out of control. We'd rather believe that bad things are intentional because then we can trick ourselves into thinking we may be able to have a little control over it I think I would prefer "crap just happens" instead of "intentionally bad crap" happening to me!!
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it"
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Re: who's on the plane!
[Re: Andalusia]
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01/30/25 10:14 AM
01/30/25 10:14 AM
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Northport, AL
GomerPyle
Impatient Stinky Britches Wearin’ Off-Roadin’ Guru
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According to Aldeerians, there's ALWAYS a conspiracy. some of that is just human nature.....we don't want to accept that sometimes, "crap just happens" because it makes us feel out of control. We'd rather believe that bad things are intentional because then we can trick ourselves into thinking we may be able to have a little control over it I think I would prefer "crap just happens" instead of "intentionally bad crap" happening to me!! People like to have control (or at least like to fool themselves into thinking they have control). If you can convince yourself that everything bad that happens is intentional/planned, then at some level, you can convince yourself that we have at least a little control over it (how you respond, taking steps to avoid being such a position to begin with, preventing bad things before they happen.....things like that).
There are 3 certainties in an uncertain world:
1. All Politicians Are Liars
2. All Gun Laws Are an Infringement
3. Taxation Is Theft
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Re: who's on the plane!
[Re: GomerPyle]
#4277340
01/30/25 10:26 AM
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Moundville, Al
SuperSpike
The 46 Year Old Bowhunting Virgin
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honestly, I don't think there's any conspiracy here, I think it was just a culmination of several bad things all at once and sometimes, accidents just happen. The plan was reportedly on a normal approach path (although apparently diverted to a different runway, which isn't uncommon). The blackhawk was travelling through what is reported to be a perfectly normal/common flight path along the river for them. From what I've read, the helo's are expected to give way to plane traffic in that area, which makes sense since they're much more maneuverable. The ATC asked a couple of times if they "saw" the jet.....instead, the ATC should have just instructed them what to do instead of asking them and hoping they reacted accordingly. There's also a chance the blackhawk pilot had a visual of the wrong plane and just missed it.
Accidents happen...unfortunately in cases like this, accidents usually = a lot of folks dying. I seriously doubt it was anything nefarious, just a terrible situation caused by several factors happening all at once.
I agree. I don’t see where there would be anything intentional here. Scary though.
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Re: who's on the plane!
[Re: Peach]
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01/30/25 11:17 AM
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My buddy was an American Airline’s pilot for 35 years in the Washington DC area and told me this morning that he had made that exact same flight many times. He thinks that when the helicopter pilot received the message about the incoming jet, his eyes were focused on a different jet. He added a bunch of technical reasons as well that I didn’t understand. Same thing just said by an interview on Fox; there was another plane above the one impacted. The military comm is on UHF and commercial on VHF frequencies which the tower is addressing simultaneously. The copter pilot did acknowledge visual on the aircraft on UHF channel.
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Re: who's on the plane!
[Re: Peach]
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01/30/25 11:21 AM
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My buddy was an American Airline’s pilot for 35 years in the Washington DC area and told me this morning that he had made that exact same flight many times. He thinks that when the helicopter pilot received the message about the incoming jet, his eyes were focused on a different jet. He added a bunch of technical reasons as well that I didn’t understand. was also said in the video 4tigers posted. training mission for the helo. one of the videos shows the helo, the plane it hit, and a 3rd plane. the helo prob thought he was doing correctly by passing behind the plane afc was talking about when he was actually flying directly into it.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
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Re: who's on the plane!
[Re: 3bailey3]
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01/30/25 11:45 AM
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Walker county
Driveby
Doing the best I can.
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That part jumped out at me too.
The true mark of a man is not how he conducts himself during times of prosperity, but how he conducts himself during times of adversity.
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Re: who's on the plane!
[Re: 3bailey3]
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01/30/25 11:59 AM
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cartervj
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Did Trump just suggest DEI controller was in play?
“Socialism only works in two places: Heaven where they don't need it and hell where they already have it.” ― Ronald Reagan
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Re: who's on the plane!
[Re: 3bailey3]
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01/30/25 12:02 PM
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Skinny
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Who thinks I am crazy now? Alex Jones was right,, it worse than he thought.
I got another good one coming...
"Never Trust Government" -- Smart people.
"The Great thing we should Fear and the Weird Thing we Trust is Elon Musk" -- Me
"You can be broke but you cant be poor." -- Ruthie-May Webster
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Re: who's on the plane!
[Re: 3bailey3]
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01/30/25 12:18 PM
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Luverne, AL
Skinny
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The only solution for that crash is multiple-computer errors or the other computer non-error.
"Never Trust Government" -- Smart people.
"The Great thing we should Fear and the Weird Thing we Trust is Elon Musk" -- Me
"You can be broke but you cant be poor." -- Ruthie-May Webster
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Re: who's on the plane!
[Re: 3bailey3]
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01/30/25 12:21 PM
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Luverne, AL
Skinny
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Blackhaw is a flying super-computer with a "Skinny" in the drivers seat. AI can crush me in a direct brain fight. But it cannot handle a MEchanical Redneck. A on\off switch can separate control.
"Never Trust Government" -- Smart people.
"The Great thing we should Fear and the Weird Thing we Trust is Elon Musk" -- Me
"You can be broke but you cant be poor." -- Ruthie-May Webster
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Re: who's on the plane!
[Re: cartervj]
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01/30/25 12:24 PM
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Did Trump just suggest DEI controller was in play? Seems like it. He might be right, but I think that’s too early to tell. DEI for ATC should never be a thing. Get the best people….period.
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Re: who's on the plane!
[Re: burbank]
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01/30/25 12:41 PM
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Birmingham
wew3006
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Birmingham
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Did Trump just suggest DEI controller was in play? Seems like it. He might be right, but I think that’s too early to tell. DEI for ATC should never be a thing. Get the best people….period. Yes, the policy has been corrected as needed; but he is way ahead of his skis without more info on this specific incident.
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Re: who's on the plane!
[Re: burbank]
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01/30/25 01:03 PM
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Boxes Cove
2Dogs
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Boxes Cove
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Did Trump just suggest DEI controller was in play? Seems like it. He might be right, but I think that’s too early to tell. DEI for ATC should never be a thing. Get the best people….period. Like someone said in the other thread about trannys in the military , this ain't a social experiment , people's lives are on the line.
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Re: who's on the plane!
[Re: burbank]
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01/30/25 01:22 PM
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Luverne, AL
Skinny
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Luverne, AL
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Did Trump just suggest DEI controller was in play? Seems like it. He might be right, but I think that’s too early to tell. DEI for ATC should never be a thing. Get the best people….period. CORRECT< RIGHT>>>skinny figure, new post coming ASK AI this DEI AI ATC in any order , its programmed into the ATC control system...fuck.
"Never Trust Government" -- Smart people.
"The Great thing we should Fear and the Weird Thing we Trust is Elon Musk" -- Me
"You can be broke but you cant be poor." -- Ruthie-May Webster
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