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Re: who's on the plane! [Re: 3bailey3] #4277563
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100% air traffic controllers fault.

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Originally Posted by scrape
100% air traffic controllers fault.


Well, it’s now revealed they were understaffed.

More than likely because they are turning away candidates because they were white.

Re: who's on the plane! [Re: 3bailey3] #4277580
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Trump has no filter and that's one of the things we love about him.
But I might not have waded right into the DEI puddle with so many tragic losses.
We could have given the NTSB a little time to look around.


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Re: who's on the plane! [Re: Out back] #4277583
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Originally Posted by Out back
Trump has no filter and that's one of the things we love about him.
But I might not have waded right into the DEI puddle with so many tragic losses.
We could have given the NTSB a little time to look around.

Yeah, unfortunately you have to take the bad with the good and sometimes he just can't help himself. He only said what literally EVERYONE was thinking, but maybe the POTUS shouldn't have been saying it less than 24hrs after it happened.


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Re: who's on the plane! [Re: 3bailey3] #4277586
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As a former recreational pilot (and just by way of common sense) I can guarantee you that light pollution played a big role. Regardless of who shoulda been, or shouldn't have been, where they were, it's extremely difficult to navigate at such low altitude and air speed while battling the flood of city lights. Some people are asking if the pilots had NV or were they using NV. I can assure you they had night vision but they wasn't using it because of ambient light distortion. This is a huge problem created by urban clutter. The amount of air traffic, combined with low speed and altitude, mixed with intense light pollution is likely the root cause.


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Re: who's on the plane! [Re: Out back] #4277658
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Originally Posted by Out back
As a former recreational pilot (and just by way of common sense) I can guarantee you that light pollution played a big role. Regardless of who shoulda been, or shouldn't have been, where they were, it's extremely difficult to navigate at such low altitude and air speed while battling the flood of city lights. Some people are asking if the pilots had NV or were they using NV. I can assure you they had night vision but they wasn't using it because of ambient light distortion. This is a huge problem created by urban clutter. The amount of air traffic, combined with low speed and altitude, mixed with intense light pollution is likely the root cause.


Makes a lot of sense.



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Re: who's on the plane! [Re: GomerPyle] #4277679
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Originally Posted by GomerPyle
Originally Posted by Out back
Trump has no filter and that's one of the things we love about him.
But I might not have waded right into the DEI puddle with so many tragic losses.
We could have given the NTSB a little time to look around.

Yeah, unfortunately you have to take the bad with the good and sometimes he just can't help himself. He only said what literally EVERYONE was thinking, but maybe the POTUS shouldn't have been saying it less than 24hrs after it happened.



Exactly what my wife said

Said that had a really bad look!


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Re: who's on the plane! [Re: 2Dogs] #4277684
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Originally Posted by 2Dogs
Originally Posted by Out back
As a former recreational pilot (and just by way of common sense) I can guarantee you that light pollution played a big role. Regardless of who shoulda been, or shouldn't have been, where they were, it's extremely difficult to navigate at such low altitude and air speed while battling the flood of city lights. Some people are asking if the pilots had NV or were they using NV. I can assure you they had night vision but they wasn't using it because of ambient light distortion. This is a huge problem created by urban clutter. The amount of air traffic, combined with low speed and altitude, mixed with intense light pollution is likely the root cause.


Makes a lot of sense.



That was the first thing I noticed when they cut to the crash sight.

Someone made a good point if it’s valid, said the plane as banking so the lights won’t
Have been as visible to the helo pilots

The only question I have is doesn’t the plane and helo have warning equipment when radar if and when it shows near or collision close aircraft


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Re: who's on the plane! [Re: GomerPyle] #4277685
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Originally Posted by GomerPyle
Originally Posted by Out back
Trump has no filter and that's one of the things we love about him.
But I might not have waded right into the DEI puddle with so many tragic losses.
We could have given the NTSB a little time to look around.

Yeah, unfortunately you have to take the bad with the good and sometimes he just can't help himself. He only said what literally EVERYONE was thinking, but maybe the POTUS shouldn't have been saying it less than 24hrs after it happened.

When he goes off the rails into these topics he plays right into the left wing media hands. They have already changed the narrative to "Trump makes baseless claims about DEI hiring " Even if what Trump said is true, he's already lost the battle of perception.

And it's no different than left wing gun grabbers talking about banning guns before the bodies reach room temperature after a school shooting. Just don't try and make political points while families are making funeral arrangements.


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Re: who's on the plane! [Re: 3bailey3] #4277709
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Carter, those collision warning systems typically deactivate at low altitudes. Somewhere between 1000 and 400 feet AGL.
Once you're on VFR approach it's all in the pilots hands. The Blackhawk (although I've never been in the cockpit) would certainly have more advanced avionics. But when you're in a low altitude, low air speed, flight path it's extremely difficult to make rapid manuvers. Altitude is a pilots best friend. Altitude and air speed are life savers.


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Re: who's on the plane! [Re: 3bailey3] #4277733
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Just saw something and wished I’d saved it

Guy was showing the flight path of rh Blackhawk and said it appears as if waiting as it made some erratic directional changes as if burning time.
🤷‍♂️

Questions are being raised why military training in such a congested area


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Re: who's on the plane! [Re: AU338MAG] #4277765
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Originally Posted by AU338MAG
Originally Posted by GomerPyle
Originally Posted by Out back
Trump has no filter and that's one of the things we love about him.
But I might not have waded right into the DEI puddle with so many tragic losses.
We could have given the NTSB a little time to look around.

Yeah, unfortunately you have to take the bad with the good and sometimes he just can't help himself. He only said what literally EVERYONE was thinking, but maybe the POTUS shouldn't have been saying it less than 24hrs after it happened.

When he goes off the rails into these topics he plays right into the left wing media hands. They have already changed the narrative to "Trump makes baseless claims about DEI hiring " Even if what Trump said is true, he's already lost the battle of perception.

And it's no different than left wing gun grabbers talking about banning guns before the bodies reach room temperature after a school shooting. Just don't try and make political points while families are making funeral arrangements.

Trump also has info everyone else don’t. I do not think he’d have said that without knowing something we all don’t. When he makes statements like these he ends up being 100% right. Was the timing appropriate? Debatable. If it’s due to incompetency because of terrible hiring decisions it is in the best interest of the public for the president to publicly state we know what happened and we are about to fix it so it won’t happen again.

Re: who's on the plane! [Re: 3bailey3] #4277770
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Geesh. I love reading all the thoughts on aldeer on the root cause of this accident. Trump was stupid for saying it's DEI before the bodies have been pulled from the water. Trump is the man and his 1st 5 minutes of the briefing was good, but it fell into a deep well when he said he knew what the reason was. The swiss cheese affect was evident in this mishap.


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Originally Posted by Out back
Carter, those collision warning systems typically deactivate at low altitudes. Somewhere between 1000 and 400 feet AGL.
Once you're on VFR approach it's all in the pilots hands. The Blackhawk (although I've never been in the cockpit) would certainly have more advanced avionics. But when you're in a low altitude, low air speed, flight path it's extremely difficult to make rapid manuvers. Altitude is a pilots best friend. Altitude and air speed are life savers.


Altitude is not your best friend in a congested environment if it's the same as commercial aircraft that normally uses it to land at a tight airfield.


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Re: who's on the plane! [Re: 3bailey3] #4277778
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Odd accident or not, it was computer.


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Re: who's on the plane! [Re: BowtechDan] #4277787
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Originally Posted by BowtechDan
Originally Posted by Out back
Carter, those collision warning systems typically deactivate at low altitudes. Somewhere between 1000 and 400 feet AGL.
Once you're on VFR approach it's all in the pilots hands. The Blackhawk (although I've never been in the cockpit) would certainly have more advanced avionics. But when you're in a low altitude, low air speed, flight path it's extremely difficult to make rapid manuvers. Altitude is a pilots best friend. Altitude and air speed are life savers.


Altitude is not your best friend in a congested environment if it's the same as commercial aircraft that normally uses it to land at a tight airfield.

OK.


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Re: who's on the plane! [Re: Out back] #4277793
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Originally Posted by Out back
Carter, those collision warning systems typically deactivate at low altitudes. Somewhere between 1000 and 400 feet AGL.
Once you're on VFR approach it's all in the pilots hands. The Blackhawk (although I've never been in the cockpit) would certainly have more advanced avionics. But when you're in a low altitude, low air speed, flight path it's extremely difficult to make rapid manuvers. Altitude is a pilots best friend. Altitude and air speed are life savers.


You are correct. TCAS only works at a certain altitude due to radar. 10 miles visible last night. Definitely VFR. ILS might have saved this accident. FAA is gonna eat this one. Talked with a few of my pilot friends today. They all hate DCA. Too many restrictions.


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Re: who's on the plane! [Re: Mbrock] #4277799
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Originally Posted by Mbrock
Originally Posted by AU338MAG
Originally Posted by GomerPyle
Originally Posted by Out back
Trump has no filter and that's one of the things we love about him.
But I might not have waded right into the DEI puddle with so many tragic losses.
We could have given the NTSB a little time to look around.

Yeah, unfortunately you have to take the bad with the good and sometimes he just can't help himself. He only said what literally EVERYONE was thinking, but maybe the POTUS shouldn't have been saying it less than 24hrs after it happened.

When he goes off the rails into these topics he plays right into the left wing media hands. They have already changed the narrative to "Trump makes baseless claims about DEI hiring " Even if what Trump said is true, he's already lost the battle of perception.

And it's no different than left wing gun grabbers talking about banning guns before the bodies reach room temperature after a school shooting. Just don't try and make political points while families are making funeral arrangements.

Trump also has info everyone else don’t. I do not think he’d have said that without knowing something we all don’t. When he makes statements like these he ends up being 100% right. Was the timing appropriate? Debatable. If it’s due to incompetency because of terrible hiring decisions it is in the best interest of the public for the president to publicly state we know what happened and we are about to fix it so it won’t happen again.

I agree that Trump probably knew the truth when he spoke. Sometimes it's best to not reveal your hand until all the chips are on the table and you have the advantage. He could have saved the information for when he needed to grab by the short and curly.

The families of the dead deserve a little better right now. Payback can come later.


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Re: who's on the plane! [Re: 3bailey3] #4277803
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You think some dude on the ground with a radio gadget who had the right passcodes could hack one of those air crafts and zombie just one enough to cause a crash? Asking for the its still a computer crash people.


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Re: who's on the plane! [Re: 3bailey3] #4277805
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The DEI relationship to the crash Trump said has merit. DEI is coded into some ATC systems. I doubt it really was DEI. But I never considered the depth of DEI pollution. until I realized and saw it. Yes, they program DEI into fundamental mechanical computing systems. Its really messed up ..bad!
Beeper Bombs are real. DEI toasters cold also be real? Alexa is a weird bitch.


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