I throw in a perspective…..I think doe management is gonna be a little more complex ……I’ll give you an example…..

I’m hearing from a lot of folks in some areas about population levels being way down from what they have traditionally been…..It has nothing to do with poor habitat either…This area is full of prime habitat......Its completely a function of hunters whacking and stacking over corn piles and harvest numbers increasing……Now you even have some of the bigger players seeing big drop offs in numbers…..Some are seeing the light of what’s occurring and only killed 4 does this year off of 4-5K acres.....Another 5K acre parcel that killed 60 last year said they were gonna cut way back and only kill a handful as well…… Meanwhile just up the road a guy has just bought him 600 acres and plans on taking out 20 does this year to.....and I quote......“help balance out the buck to doe ratio”……while still this other guy beside them sits on his back porch watching 6 corn piles and whacking bucks two at a time off of them…….You cant make this chit up.....

I’m just saying that sometimes the guys that are over here “managing” their herd as if it lives in a box and choosing a random number of does out of a hat to shoot seem oblivious to the bigger picture around them as if it has no relevance….. Somebody has to balance out all of that doe whacking when the woods get full of doe managers on a bunch of properties…… Some of the folks that think 10 or 20 is “a lot” just never seen it where there was 50 or 80 and they’re just shooting does because that’s what the biologist said you’re supposed to do….

Yes as stated a million times it’s important to have good neighbors and know what they are doing. Very important.

You obviously have NOT been following along. People.shooting deer have nothing to do with deer management! And all the bucks die on their own before they're five anyway! Good thing you don't train your dogs in March, apparently 60 percent of all bucks are laying out there dead on their own, talk about confused dog!

I have been hunting for a long time and have seen places that shot the hell out of a lot of does and other places that didn't. My impression is that if you have good habitat the deer will be there. If you shoot a bunch of does off of it, more will move in and take their place. Had a place in Union Springs years ago and you would not believe how many bucks we took off it every year and the next year it would be full of them again. I was always worried we were shooting it out but they kept coming back I assume off other properties with worse habitat. Not scientific but its what I have seen.

One day you are going to grow up and actually add something to a conversation. Go back to the sports forum and do that crap.

I think most places where stories like this occur are only able to do so though because there’s enough folks around them who arent shooting them like that to compensate for it…..You have big properties with low hunter densities propping up populations around them where folks shoot a bunch…….. Its fine until the number of folks whacking them at a high rate becomes too many then those other properties arent able to compensate for it in the same way any longer and things go down hill…..Especially if the big properties are still killing at the same rate too ……I think that’s pretty much what has happened in a short amount of time in some of these places…….Like death by a thousand cuts…..or maybe rather by 10,000 corn piles.....

Of the properties I know of that have been clubs or managed the last 15 years or so, they shot does before corn or they didn’t shoot does before corn. Corn didn’t change the fact that they shot does or didn’t. Not saying that is the norm, that’s just what I know of in my circle.