Yeah I understand that, and I’m kinda playing devils advocate, but I do believe the fizz and complaining is for selfish reasons. It makes it harder for ME to get a permit, or ME to kill a turkey at the wma that I’VE hunted the last 10 years, and it’s not fair cause they get to hunt more than ME blah blah. Now if there was some biological support that shows that the population is being depleted to a point where they are going to close turkey hunting, or turkeys are going to go extinct I can get on board with the complaining. But if a particular piece of permit/quota land issues 10 permits every year and 10 or 10 million people apply for the permit the same number of turkeys are still going to die.