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Re: A New Paradigm in Doe Management [Re: DGAMBLER] #4285215
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Originally Posted by DGAMBLER
Originally Posted by CNC
Y’all are off in left field…….I’m not talking about the state doing anything……I’m talking about a group of private clubs and landowners forming a cooperative……The only thing that involves the state is borrowing their data

You know good and well the people of Alabama ain't gonna cooperate with your idea.


One of the best things about this approach is that you don’t need everyone to subscribe to it or understand it…….you just need ENOUGH folks to where everyone else can still have their opinions and do as they please but just not have the ability to mess things up as bad…….They can fill the freezers……”manage” does……yada, yada, yada....for whatever reason……just as long there’s enough people who DON’T….so that the county totals stay below a level where we want them


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Re: A New Paradigm in Doe Management [Re: CNC] #4285224
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Originally Posted by CNC
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Y’all are off in left field…….I’m not talking about the state doing anything……I’m talking about a group of private clubs and landowners forming a cooperative……The only thing that involves the state is borrowing their data

You know good and well the people of Alabama ain't gonna cooperate with your idea.


One of the best things about this approach is that you don’t need everyone to subscribe to it or understand it…….you just need ENOUGH folks to where everyone else can still have their opinions and do as they please but just not have the ability to mess things up as bad…….They can fill the freezers……”manage” does……yada, yada, yada....for whatever reason……just as long there’s enough people who DON’T….so that the county totals stay below a level where we want them


I'm skeptical that you'd have enough participation to make much of an impact on the county level.

Re: A New Paradigm in Doe Management [Re: BPI] #4285234
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Originally Posted by BPI
I'm skeptical that you'd have enough participation to make much of an impact on the county level.


Not shooting does is a pretty easy thing to do… grin Quite a few of the plantations have virtually already done this even if it isnt in a fully organized form like I’m laying it out……Many of them shut down doe harvest this year across large acreages and doe harvest levels came way down…..So now if doe harvest levels stay at 1900 ish does for Bullock County and 1400 ish for Macon and 2100 ish for Russell moving forward..…which is about what they were before the big increase…Is there any reason for the plantations to change course next year??.......I'm gonna say probably not.....Somebody has to compensate for all the extra slaying and "managing"

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Re: A New Paradigm in Doe Management [Re: CNC] #4285275
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Don’t get me wrong when I say “don’t shoot any does”…..I’m not meaning that as in completely zero does …..Its meaning no “quotas” where every club and plantation tries to take out 60 does here and 80 does there just to be taking them out………Shut that chit off as long as county wide harvests are sufficient enough to meet the county level goal……


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Re: A New Paradigm in Doe Management [Re: BPI] #4285281
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Originally Posted by BPI
Originally Posted by CNC
Y’all are off in left field…….I’m not talking about the state doing anything……I’m talking about a group of private clubs and landowners forming a cooperative……The only thing that involves the state is borrowing their data


I understand that. But in my opinion if it's done on a voluntary or cooperative basis that it wouldn't work. You would only be growing deer for your neighbors. If you had several large tracts of land joining one another and all parties were on board then that would be beneficial for your immediate area, but I don't even think that would help on the county level.

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Re: A New Paradigm in Doe Management [Re: CNC] #4285320
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Why not just manage your property.

You give them what they need and don’t shoot at every deer that walks out like most clubs do and you’ll see plenty of deer.

My neighbor has 60 acres and the does around my house are almost pets. But he don’t shoot at them every time they walk out.


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Re: A New Paradigm in Doe Management [Re: YellaLineHunter] #4285452
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Originally Posted by YellaLineHunter
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Y’all are off in left field…….I’m not talking about the state doing anything……I’m talking about a group of private clubs and landowners forming a cooperative……The only thing that involves the state is borrowing their data


I understand that. But in my opinion if it's done on a voluntary or cooperative basis that it wouldn't work. You would only be growing deer for your neighbors. If you had several large tracts of land joining one another and all parties were on board then that would be beneficial for your immediate area, but I don't even think that would help on the county level.

Bpi is in line to the reality


Its really a bonus for a big club or landowner to have the other surrounding hunters "manage" the does……Shooting a bunch of does just to meet a quota adds a lot of extra hunting pressure to a property that doesn’t have to occur if the folks in the surrounding area are already shooting enough for everyone…..

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Re: A New Paradigm in Doe Management [Re: CNC] #4285469
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I’m not sure you can develop a cookie cutter approach to deer cause “it depends” seem to be the greatest factor


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I’m not sure you can develop a cookie cutter approach to deer cause “it depends” seem to be the greatest factor

It does depend. 😂

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Re: A New Paradigm in Doe Management [Re: CNC] #4285690
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You know this becomes a pretty simple formula of addition and subtraction once you get so many years of trend data on the books to look at for each county or “ranch”……Is the deer population down in the county??....Want to raise the population to higher levels??……SUBTRACT from the doe killing numbers…….If 1500 does have been getting killed annually then we need to reduce it to lets say 1200 and it doesnt really matter who "doesnt shoot them"………We overcomplicate the whole doe management thing way more than it has to be……


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Re: A New Paradigm in Doe Management [Re: CNC] #4285709
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Here’s kinda what I think its gonna look like…….something along these lines anyways…..with each county having a different number for their yield….Let’s use Bullock Co doe harvest as an example…….Of course you would revisit these numbers periodically to see if they need tweaked

Increase Pop……………Hold Stable……………Decrease Pop
….< 1700…………….....1800 – 2200……………….>2200


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