That was on 4500 ish acres nearly a decade ago now……He also said that they would probably only make it to about 70 or so though that year……The 150 was the biologist recommendation...... Seeing bunches of deer just riding in and out wasn’t an issue back then either……….It used to not be a problem because there wasn’t as many other folks killing them in the surrounding area……It was only when doe harvest shot up 40-50% county wide that suddenly those plantation quotas just added to the “too much”………

Its getting a little farther into the weeds of it but technically you’re gonna need to somewhat monitor things on the ground to see how the county quota that you choose matches up to whats occurring on the ground……Continuing to use Bullock Co as our example……If you drop the doe harvest down below 1700 then eventually you may need to slide your whole number pendulum up a little as populations begin to grow where “stable” moves from 1800-2200 to something maybe like 2000-2400…….and vice versa…….With what just happened with a spike of 2900 killed last year and a population decline……you probably need to slide it back down to where your population increase threshold drops from 1700 to 1500……Again, these arent exact numbers or anything but they really don’t have to be……If you just wanted to let the rough side drag then you can assume that if we keep decreasing doe harvest then population growth is gonna kick in at some point……assuming the land has the potential for the growth…..which lots of places currently do

This is why all of that stuff about not knowing the number everyone else is killing and this and that…..yada yada….. doesn’t really matter……You don’t have to know all of that…..All we need to know is how many does we need to get folks “NOT to kill” where we go from stable or decline to population growth and control the flip of that switch……..That’s your buffer against the doe slayers and freezer fillers so that the overall population stays where you want it…..The over harvesting of bucks is another story though…..At least if you fix the doe issue then you know you’re starting with a buck population base that matches the potential of the habitat instead of populations that are way in under what prime habitat should be supporting……

I volunteer to come to come to Macon county and shoot every doe I see. Might even get a few off the highway along the way

Or bow hunt
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why don't any of the states like illinois and kansas gun hunt the rut? bow hunting is not like rifle hunting. I had a mid 160 class 13 point at 90 a high 160 class 12 point at 75 and a mid 150 class 10 point at 60 yards in illinois this year. with a rifle I could have killed all 3 but I had a bow and they are still alive. with a rifle that's all you do is kill them. but when you kill one with a bow you beat him and the energy it took to kill him come from your muscles pulling that string back storing the energy in the limbs and transferring that energy into the arrow and into the animal. everything about a bow kill is all about you and what you did to make that happen. when you kill him with a gun that's all you did was kill. it is 100 percent easier to kill one with a gun and that is why the best states to hunt have very limited gun hunting.there is NO REASON to gun hunt 3 straight months. if u need that much time to kill a deer with a gun I reccomend you take up golf.[/quote]
Only a fucking pussy would hunt them with a bow out of a stationary stand.The deer should know they are being hunted. If it ain’t killed in front of a hound. Your just killing, not hunting.

Knock yourself out……Deez Nutz Plantation just cut off the doe killing to another 4500 acres just to make sure you get compensated for……Its just addition and subtraction.....It aint that complex

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why don't any of the states like illinois and kansas gun hunt the rut? bow hunting is not like rifle hunting. I had a mid 160 class 13 point at 90 a high 160 class 12 point at 75 and a mid 150 class 10 point at 60 yards in illinois this year. with a rifle I could have killed all 3 but I had a bow and they are still alive. with a rifle that's all you do is kill them. but when you kill one with a bow you beat him and the energy it took to kill him come from your muscles pulling that string back storing the energy in the limbs and transferring that energy into the arrow and into the animal. everything about a bow kill is all about you and what you did to make that happen. when you kill him with a gun that's all you did was kill. it is 100 percent easier to kill one with a gun and that is why the best states to hunt have very limited gun hunting.there is NO REASON to gun hunt 3 straight months. if u need that much time to kill a deer with a gun I reccomend you take up golf.[/quote]

Only a fucking pussy would hunt them with a bow from a stationary stand.The deer should know they are being hunted. If it ain’t killed in front of a hound. Your just killing, not hunting. If you cannot kill them on your feet you should take up golf

This would work well for most all of your southern counties…….As you move into some of the northern counties though like Marshall for example…..there would likely need to be a little more site specific considerations occurring because the whole county isnt one big connected deer herd like a county such as Bullock or Macon…..This is one of the reasons why I originally said that the ¼ county scale would be more optimal but we gotta go with what we have the data for on a county level……The majority of counties would work out just fine though

Good thing I have 1/4 acre plots on every side of deez nuts. Plus the camp house I have with a dusk to dawn light. Who needs acreage when you have corn piles

These threads never fail I don't think some of you know what a healthy heard looks like

Knee-grow please......you literally cant even spell deer herd..... I mean you cant make this chit up.....

Kill all the beavers have healthier habitat and 2 chickens in ever pot

What you would eventually want to have happen is for everyone else in Bullock Co on all ¼ acre lots or whatever to kill however many does they want for whatever reason they come up with and if that total comes out to be 1500 then you’re your cooperative fills the other 300 to get you to your stable goal of 1800……If everyone else is killing 1700 then you only give out a 100 to the cooperative to fill…….You just have to get control of enough acreage where shooting zero matters……The way I see it would happen is that the first "X" amount of does killed would go to special needs properties for however many they need and then the rest would be filled by the other cooperative members……..There are a handful of places out there that are just in unique situations that still NEED does killed annually…..They arent as plentiful as folks who lead you to believe but there are some……

That’s the concept anyways and I believe kinda the same idea they originally had in mind with a DMAP program its just that numbers for how many to shoot was much more of a guess without any kind of system like game check to help……Its not a perfect system but much better than what we’re doing now……..In most years the amount of does being shot by the other folks is gonna be pretty predictable so long as there’s no kind of major change…..The big spike in doe harvests we’re seeing now is a result of major change that occurred and hunters reacting to it…..Even so though it could have still been predicted and seen coming and compensated for……(cough, cough)……or maybe at least you might say….”Hey lets play it a little conservatively over the next few years until we see how this shakes out……”

The great thing about game check too is that you can see the harvest happening in real time so the cooperative could call an audible ¾ of the way through the season to not shoot anymore of the 300 they normally do if they see doe harvest looking like its trending higher than normal…….If someone kept up with the numbers coming in day by day for the county it would be easy to look at what is the “norm” for any given date…..are we way ahead?....way behind??....Do we need to have a doe shooting the last week or not??

CNC, I read your post there are times I think you have way too much time on your hands however, not to an a-hole you said that it wouldn’t be hard to organize Macon county to get into the doe management system you have envisioned. Most folks need to see the results before they start believing in the idea so, organize Macon county and lets see the results in a couple of years using game check as you do now.

If you build it he will come

How do you eat an elephant, one bite at a time

PS. Haven’t been hunting but about 15 years, started later in life, only killed 1 doe, if that counts

I’d be glad to do so but its gonna take more than just me……It’d have to be a core group of folks who have an understanding of what I’ve laid out here and want to get on board with it……Might be easier to start will Bullock since I already know several of the plantations and clubs there have already shut down doe killing…..I know at least one lurks and reads here so maybe we’ll see what happens

What we would need to begin with is an easier and more concise way of laying out the plan to folks that what I have had to do here……. Having me try to verbally explain it to folks is probably gonna get blown right over many people’s head……I convey ideas like this a lot better through written form……This is where having folks who run those plantations and know each other get on board with it would help get the ball rolling……We would need to start by seeing how many of plantations around Bullock Co we can get on board first as a core group…….15 of the right properties in Bullock Co would be a big chunk of land

Here's a hard fact for anyone to get around…….What many of these plantations just found out is that it doesn’t matter if you have 5000 acres if Bullock Co doe harvest jumps from 1900 to 2900……That bigger picture doe harvest is the real controlling factor for everyone……..And so if it doesn’t matter if you have a 5000 acre plantation then it really doesn’t matter for every other landowner in Alabama……You better be paying attention to and understanding what really matters for your location……What’s occurring on a county level matters

I know you and I disagree on a lot, but we agree on some too. I’ve been trying to get ppl to understand that when these larger landowners begin to realize they can no longer manage their deer herd effectively, one of four things will happen. The first is a fence going up. The second is selling the property, and likely in smaller parcels just to get it sold. Third, they’ll stop sinking money into habitat work. Fourth, they’ll stop caring about managing the deer herd and blasting away with everyone else. In NONE of those scenarios do the state residents or the resource win. It’s going to happen if current regs don’t change. When these larger landowners stop providing smaller landowners with deer they’ll change their tune.

My bad, Bullock instead of Macon. If it’s something that you believe in then you are gonna jump in with both barrels blazing.

I’m good with it…….I think it could be a very interesting endeavor……The reality if something like that were going to really get off the ground it would need for a core group of more important people than me to get together to be the initial PR spokesmen to the other surrounding plantations……I think that would carry much more weight than the local dog tracker calling them up with an idea… ….. It would have to be that way pretty much in any county……I can present the idea but you’re gonna need to have some of the major players buying into the idea for it to work……