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Re: The DOGE refund proposal [Re: BCLC] #4288851
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Originally Posted by BCLC
I can’t help but wonder why Elon And DJT haven’t hired some our resident financial experts for the DOGE team.


My 2 future careers are college football coach (cause I’m positive I can lose 8 or 9 games a year for $700,000 a year
And financial expert cause I’ve done all the dumb stuff so I should be an expert now

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Send it!! Daddy needs to feed the family
You damn right!!!


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Re: The DOGE refund proposal [Re: twaldrop4] #4288855
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Originally Posted by twaldrop4
Originally Posted by cartervj
You do have a point. But it helped bring on the inflation

Without question it was huge contributor to inflation but at this point the moneys here. It’s beyond frustrating that we even are having this conversation. We’ve been robbed for decades.



I’ve been jumping up and down about for years. Especially the likes of Soros never using his money other than starting something. He alway had NGOs that “we” funded. All those progressive organizations have had our dollars. The real pisser is they used it against us. I’ve been stating that organized crime has been done away with by government. Literally. I’ve always stated we’re just now waking up to it and we’d lost it all.

I honestly thought we were done for as a country


I’m still in shock that we finally took a stand. I pray it keeps but worried it won’t

The devaluing the dollar gets us there faster and why Obama’s minions have been hard at it under Biden. Time was of the essence and hopefully Trumps DOGE stops it.

It’s gonna get tough for a while financially I think and hoping I’m wrong.


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Re: The DOGE refund proposal [Re: twaldrop4] #4288857
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Originally Posted by twaldrop4
Originally Posted by BCLC
I can’t help but wonder why Elon And DJT haven’t hired some our resident financial experts for the DOGE team.


My 2 future careers are college football coach (cause I’m positive I can lose 8 or 9 games a year for $700,000 a year
And financial expert cause I’ve done all the dumb stuff so I should be an expert now



LOL

I feel ya.

If I could have just have half my dumb dumbs back.


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Re: The DOGE refund proposal [Re: BCLC] #4288861
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Originally Posted by BCLC
I can’t help but wonder why Elon And DJT haven’t hired some our resident financial experts for the DOGE team.



I think it's OK to question and discuss if it's the right course. Trump has been horribly wrong many times in the past. Sometimes it was obvious to most of us he was wrong and he should have recognized it too. A couple of instances that come to mind are covid and the Ryan Healthcare bill. I get really uncomfortable when anyone gets put on such a pedestal that they can't be questioned. Especially when they have a history of questionable judgement at times. An engaged and questioning citizenry is the right place to start for good government in my opinion. As far as I'm concerned as long as Trump continues taking a flamethrower to the corruption in our government I'm not going to get too concerned with the things like this that he is likely doing for the optics. Not that it matters but I believe he's probably right and needs to do something to stop the media narrative that he and Elon are robbing the country blind. The trajectory Trump is on this time will have him go down as one of our greatest presidents if he stays the course and doesn't get derailed with the nonsense of the deep state and media.


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Re: The DOGE refund proposal [Re: twaldrop4] #4288865
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Originally Posted by twaldrop4
Originally Posted by BCLC
I can’t help but wonder why Elon And DJT haven’t hired some our resident financial experts for the DOGE team.


My 2 future careers are college football coach (cause I’m positive I can lose 8 or 9 games a year for $700,000 a year
And financial expert cause I’ve done all the dumb stuff so I should be an expert now


If you need an AsstCoach for your team, I got my expert badge and am good to go grin


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Re: The DOGE refund proposal [Re: howl] #4288866
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Originally Posted by howl
In order for it to cause inflation, there has to be a net increase in dollars put into the economy. If they're just putting the dollars into household accounts rather than sending it down through .gov and NGO paychecks, there's no difference than status quo.

In the simplest of examples: Every dollar given out has to be printed. The govt is running a $2 trillion budget deficit right now. That means there is not enough money to pay for what we have budgeted and plan to spend. So in order to fund the budget they have to print additional money and add it to the debt. The savings DOGE is finding are unspent money that they were going to have to print and put into circulation to pay salaries, buy materials, and fulfill future contracts. Every dollar doge is finding are unspent funds, the money for which is not sitting in the treasury. In order to pass it out to taxpayers, they will still have to print it. Every time they spend money in excess of what they take in, they are tacking it on to the debt. Every new dollar printed and dumped into the economy, increases inflation.

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Originally Posted by bill
Originally Posted by BCLC
I can’t help but wonder why Elon And DJT haven’t hired some our resident financial experts for the DOGE team.



I think it's OK to question and discuss if it's the right course. Trump has been horribly wrong many times in the past. Sometimes it was obvious to most of us he was wrong and he should have recognized it too. A couple of instances that come to mind are covid and the Ryan Healthcare bill. I get really uncomfortable when anyone gets put on such a pedestal that they can't be questioned. Especially when they have a history of questionable judgement at times. An engaged and questioning citizenry is the right place to start for good government in my opinion. As far as I'm concerned as long as Trump continues taking a flamethrower to the corruption in our government I'm not going to get too concerned with the things like this that he is likely doing for the optics. Not that it matters but I believe he's probably right and needs to do something to stop the media narrative that he and Elon are robbing the country blind. The trajectory Trump is on this time will have him go down as one of our greatest presidents if he stays the course and doesn't get derailed with the nonsense of the deep state and media.


Nobody said it wasn’t ok to question and discuss BUT if you can’t see the humor in some of these responses you need glasses and/or a sense of humor. 🤓


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Re: The DOGE refund proposal [Re: abolt300] #4288873
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Originally Posted by abolt300
Originally Posted by howl
In order for it to cause inflation, there has to be a net increase in dollars put into the economy. If they're just putting the dollars into household accounts rather than sending it down through .gov and NGO paychecks, there's no difference than status quo.

In the simplest of examples: Every dollar given out has to be printed. The govt is running a $2 trillion budget deficit right now. That means there is not enough money to pay for what we have budgeted and plan to spend. So in order to fund the budget they have to print additional money and add it to the debt. The savings DOGE is finding are unspent money that they were going to have to print and put into circulation to pay salaries, buy materials, and fulfill, contracts. Every dollar doge is finding are unspent funds, the money for which is not sitting in the treasury. In order to pass it out to taxpayers, they will still have to print it. Every time they spend money in excess of what they take in, they are taking it on to the debt very new dollar printed and dumped into the economy, increases inflation.



There it is in simple terms.


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Re: The DOGE refund proposal [Re: Skinny] #4288876
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Keep in mind it's only saving money if you don't spend more of it. I can't not eat lunch today and go buy a rifle and then tell my wife I saved us 20 bucks today. Buying Greenland and opening an account to buy tic tok come to mind

Re: The DOGE refund proposal [Re: cartervj] #4288877
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Originally Posted by cartervj
I’m still mad Trump sent out those checks his last time in

Biden tried down on it and here we are


Did you spend yours?


I had much rather be tried by twelve than carried to my grave by six!!!!

Re: The DOGE refund proposal [Re: Skinny] #4288883
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I think throwing it at the National Debt would be stupid. $5k would be a slap in the face to every hard working person in the USA. They have been stealing from us and sending our hard earned tax dollars to other countries and getting kick backs for a very long time. I really don't believe the National Debt anyway. I think its just a fear tactic to hold over our heads. I won't be happy until I see some of these sorry individuals necks stretched out on public TV.

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Originally Posted by abolt300
Originally Posted by howl
In order for it to cause inflation, there has to be a net increase in dollars put into the economy. If they're just putting the dollars into household accounts rather than sending it down through .gov and NGO paychecks, there's no difference than status quo.

In the simplest of examples: Every dollar given out has to be printed. The govt is running a $2 trillion budget deficit right now. That means there is not enough money to pay for what we have budgeted and plan to spend. So in order to fund the budget they have to print additional money and add it to the debt. The savings DOGE is finding are unspent money that they were going to have to print and put into circulation to pay salaries, buy materials, and fulfill, contracts. Every dollar doge is finding are unspent funds, the money for which is not sitting in the treasury. In order to pass it out to taxpayers, they will still have to print it. Every time they spend money in excess of what they take in, they are taking it on to the debt very new dollar printed and dumped into the economy, increases inflation.




Didn’t realize it was unspent, unprinted money. In that case it doesn’t need to be given out to anybody.

Re: The DOGE refund proposal [Re: Skinny] #4288893
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The last article I read quoted Musk as saying the money could just take the form of tax cuts.

Re: The DOGE refund proposal [Re: twaldrop4] #4288900
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Originally Posted by twaldrop4
Originally Posted by abolt300
Originally Posted by howl
In order for it to cause inflation, there has to be a net increase in dollars put into the economy. If they're just putting the dollars into household accounts rather than sending it down through .gov and NGO paychecks, there's no difference than status quo.

In the simplest of examples: Every dollar given out has to be printed. The govt is running a $2 trillion budget deficit right now. That means there is not enough money to pay for what we have budgeted and plan to spend. So in order to fund the budget they have to print additional money and add it to the debt. The savings DOGE is finding are unspent money that they were going to have to print and put into circulation to pay salaries, buy materials, and fulfill, contracts. Every dollar doge is finding are unspent funds, the money for which is not sitting in the treasury. In order to pass it out to taxpayers, they will still have to print it. Every time they spend money in excess of what they take in, they are taking it on to the debt very new dollar printed and dumped into the economy, increases inflation.




Didn’t realize it was unspent, unprinted money. In that case it doesn’t need to be given out to anybody.


Based on what I’ve seen on the detailed savings list of programs, the majority of savings are coming from cancelling current and future contracts and programs that would have spent the “saved” money between now and 2029. We as a nation have a huge spending problem. Congress and the unelected bureaucracy have never been held to any type of revenue based budget, and have and continue to operate as if they have virtually unlimited funds. And they do have unlimited funds, as long as they are allowed to continually increase the debt limit every 6 months when they need more money.

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Originally Posted by howl
The last article I read quoted Musk as saying the money could just take the form of tax cuts.


That seems like a better option since as they are canceling contracts and weeding out all the bad and ugly from the bureaucracy to rein the spending back in, cutting taxes might not cause unprinted money to be spent.


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Re: The DOGE refund proposal [Re: MTeague] #4288924
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Originally Posted by MTeague
Originally Posted by cartervj
I’m still mad Trump sent out those checks his last time in

Biden tried down on it and here we are


Did you spend yours?



Sure did just like everyone else, well one of them. The other was put in our investment account

It’s was still stupid to do and Biden then doubled down.


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I’d rather them just not require income tax filings this year.

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Originally Posted by Mbrock
I’d rather them just not require income tax filings this year.

I like that idea


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Originally Posted by abolt300
Originally Posted by Skinny
Elon says a refund of $5,000 for each taxpayer. https://x.com/i/trending/1892271925004509511
Thats the proposal he threw out there.

I'm not for it. In saying "taxpayer", he's referring to everyone filing tax returns. If it is decided that refunds are to be issued, then refunds should be a percentage of what you actually paid in in federal taxes. Not witholdings for payments to SS and Medicare, actual federal taxes going into the general fund. Didn't pay in anything to federal taxes, no refund. Lots of people file returns that do not end up paying a penny into federal income tax. 47% to be exact.

I'm not for just giving people free money. They'll blow it all on vacations, purchasing stuff they cannot afford to make the payments to keep, and BS just like they did the covid money and it'll just put more dollars into the system, increasing the velocity of money almost instantaneously, which in turn will create significant increases in across the board inflation several months later.

Honestly, a refund should not be issued. Everything saved should be used to reduce the national debt, with a small portion side aside to pay for the prosecution of those crooks behind it, for building the gallows to stretch those necks, and the ropes to do it with. A message needs to be sent, and it needs to be sent harshly, so that everyone understands. "Never again"
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