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Re: Government job cuts [Re: bill] #4290130
02/22/25 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by bill
In my opinion this complaining is exactly why we never win. Hardline cuts and a complete restructuring of the government was needed. Trump is making cuts that no other president had the guts to make but even some Republicans don't have the stomach for what's necessary. . I'm guessing he's going to get it down to what's essential then evaluate what kind of funding will be needed to operate things before submitting his budget for approval. I don't think it would be a good idea to submit the reduced budget then make the cuts because there would be too much opposition from those saying the funding wouldn't be sufficient to operate the government. Make the necessary cuts then show them we can still operate effectively after the cuts then there is no argument against a greatly reduced budget. Never thought I'd be the one defending Trump but this time around he's taking no prisoners and is keeping his promises.

Nailed it.

Tear everything down to the foundations and rebuild what needs to be built.

Why does the department of agriculture need 4 employees for every farmer? Put those extra people out in the fields to replace the illegal immigrants that Trump is sending back home.


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Re: Government job cuts [Re: Ridge Life] #4290133
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I can only talk about what I have experienced. I have worked with government employees and contractors for the last 18 years. The government employees may be the most inefficient people I have ever worked with. Once the program moves to a private contractor things start moving. That’s when time and cost savings usually become important. If there is a design issue and it has to go back to the Government then it is a disaster. The private contractor can usually approve a solution in a few days or weeks. The government can and will take months to years. Every week I meet with government engineers and planners and usually walk out of that meeting with multiple meetings already set to go over what this meeting was about. The government guys never want responsibility. Honestly I’m shocked any thing ever gets done. Let’s talk about design costs. The government guys will sole source all kinds of stuff where the private guys will use suggested sources so that there are same fit form function options. The government engineers frequently complain they don’t get paid what private guys do. I would say it’s because you are getting lesser quality results from the government teams.

Either way it is never good on a personal level for anyone to lose their job. I hate to see it. But the truth is, something has to be done. If as a taxpayer we are not getting a good return on our investment we have to make changes. Those changes are going to have impact. What we have to do is think long term. You can’t fix something as big and inefficient as our government by taking little nibbles. It is to big for that to work.

Re: Government job cuts [Re: Ridge Life] #4290134
02/22/25 07:58 AM
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I see the problem this way. There are a bunch of folk who are convinced they're the only ones capable of doing a job correctly. Convinced they are essential. I've been prone to that thinking myself a few times in my younger years. Experience has taught me otherwise. A very wise man once told me this and he was absolutely spot on. "If you think you're irreplaceable, fill a 5 gallon bucket with water and stick your hands in it. Remove your hands quickly and see how long it takes to fill that void." He was absolutely 100% correct. There are an exceptionally small number of jobs that cannot be filled just that quickly.

But that government teat is hard to come off of. It's big money with little oversite on when, where, who and what it's spent on. Everyone who's on it will cry like an infant when pulled off it. But mommas tits are sore and she needs a break.

I hope Musk puts a blade on that chainsaw and gets to work. I hope Trump releases the Epstein and Diddy lists. Burn it to the ground.


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Re: Government job cuts [Re: AlabamaSwamper] #4290143
02/22/25 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by AlabamaSwamper
Originally Posted by jwalker77
And how many times have we passed by a govt jobsite, 5 men standing there watching one guy work. Yeah, i know those are county or state jobsites. Dont you think federal is the same? Dont you think the same amount of work could get done with half as many workers? We all know thats the reality of the situation. It is what it is. Then theres the crazy inflated prices we pay for materials. Then we could get into the good ole boy contracts given to politicians families and friends, all costing 10x what they should. Theres plenty of problems.



You apparently have no idea what you are talking about. That has nothing to do with the people. You want them to get fired for breaking safety regulations because that’s exactly why you see what you see.

And at the bottom field level you also apparently have no clue how govt contracts work for materials or anything else.

You’d be shocked to learn how wrong your are.

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You work for the county? Five county cuys standing around watching one guy dig a hole, or whatever job theyre currently doing, is a running joke around here, so common its become a cliche. And i guess if i dont know what im talking about, i guess im not alone. And i guess all the contrcts on govt work are straight up and given to the lowest bidder every time? Politicians giving contracts to their families and buddies is also so common its cliche. And the price of materials the govt uses is definately inflated. Likely being sold to them by one of their buddies company, that is also a fact. I dont know where youve been but all thats been going on all my life and its pretty well documented.

Re: Government job cuts [Re: Ridge Life] #4290151
02/22/25 08:18 AM
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Re: Government job cuts [Re: Ridge Life] #4290154
02/22/25 08:22 AM
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There’s so many problems at so many levels this is gonna hurt like hell.

Firing so many at the same time is a bit concerning I’d guess but it depends on the numbers. I’d imagine the stock market is gonna do some serious corrections considering how much it loved all that corporate welfare that drove the market.

I know a gal that is complaining about having to go into work and also now is worried about her job. She works for the IRS. That makes her of the ship. lol


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Re: Government job cuts [Re: Ridge Life] #4290155
02/22/25 08:29 AM
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I want that! Ok, you get that. No wait I don’t want that!
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Re: Government job cuts [Re: Mbrock] #4290165
02/22/25 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Mbrock
Lots of federal wildland firefighters, wildlife biologists and foresters have been cut. Hard to find careers in those fields. Wish there was more oversight on who’s getting cut.


Try competent archaeologists. I could list dozens who are not working because they have been replaced by straight to PhD idiots. I can show you thousands of unfinished or incomplete reports that never got done because some ass-jaw phucktard reviewer could not understand the damn first page of a report, much less the data in the report.


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Re: Government job cuts [Re: Ridge Life] #4290166
02/22/25 09:05 AM
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Government is so overgrown and in so many places, most people have no idea. Trimming it down in any significant way in four years will cause tremendous turmoil.

Government budgets are annual. If a group is asked to do more, they can't charge more immediately. The money already has to be in the budget. To keep that buffer, more than is needed has to be spent. If the buffer is used, the budget has to be increased. The growth is continual because the people never stop asking government to do another thing.

Coming in under budget is a huge problem. That's why they buy hundred dollar screwdrivers and high dollar equipment that goes unused. I have never seen government not work that way.

The unfortunate thing is no matter what Trump does, people who think of themselves as conservatives will never stop demanding government take care of things and supporting taxes to cover it. Such progressive-ism has to stop.

Re: Government job cuts [Re: Ridge Life] #4290167
02/22/25 09:08 AM
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I mean..wouldnt right now be a good time to start a private business doin what you were doin..if it was essential as so many say…then you shouldn’t have any problem just fillin the void left by your government job…small government and big people…maybe the states should feel the federal gap…i hate folks are losin their job..but…most of these folks aint worth what they are bein paid in the first place and..its time to change..or at least.. become something new

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Re: Government job cuts [Re: Ridge Life] #4290168
02/22/25 09:09 AM
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When "Learn to Code" was turned around on social media & media when their jobs were being lost, it became a bannable offense.
It was fine when it was said to coal miners, but when it was said to the leftist crown it was weaponized hate speech.


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Re: Government job cuts [Re: Ridge Life] #4290178
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Re: Government job cuts [Re: Mbrock] #4290186
02/22/25 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Mbrock
Lots of federal wildland firefighters, wildlife biologists and foresters have been cut. Hard to find careers in those fields. Wish there was more oversight on who’s getting cut.


That's exactly right. This administration is creating tremendous bad will even among good, conservative, loyal Americans who have done their jobs very well and deserve in no way to be fired. Cutting waste and fraud in government can be done in a sensible and systematic way instead of a blizzard of unthinking carnage and chaos.

Re: Government job cuts [Re: Vernon Tull] #4290193
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Originally Posted by Vernon Tull
Cutting waste and fraud in government can be done in a sensible and systematic way


Nobody in the private sector believes that. Systematic way? That IS government waste and everybody knows it.

Re: Government job cuts [Re: jwalker77] #4290197
02/22/25 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by jwalker77
Kodiak, theyve had 4yrs to figure out what needs to be done. What youre saying sounds exactly like what theyre screaming on msnbc. Those studies youre talking about take quite a bit of time, more people are hired to do the study and the study always cost millions of dollars itself. Thats about like congress saying they should get to decide what money gets cut. Theyre the ones who decided to spend it to start with. Whats going on in this country right now will come at a price. I believe in and fully support whats happening. Its going to sting for a minute but in the end, every citizen will benefit. And again i say, this is what we voted for. Hes doing exactlywhat he said he would do.


I know those studies take some time but I also know rushing the task is a Fugg-up on Trumps part. Musk hasn't completed those studies nor anyone else to our knowledge and until they do so it's a total numbers game to impress people . Again "we" didn't vote on people losing jobs with elon musk and DOGE coming in making uneducated or unproven decisions. I don't watch any news outlets but what I'm saying is straight up common sense when it comes to a RIF. I lived through the governments DA decision with a military RIF and watched people get booted out the door when they didn't met the wording of the RIF. Those same guys received calls a year later to come back lol, and they all told Uncle Sam to FO... From reports DOGE fired nuclear folks only to recall those needed for the job, kinda makes the point for me lol. Same goes with the NF jobs except they won't be called back until shit catches on fire.

Re: Government job cuts [Re: Ridge Life] #4290198
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The real money saving is in limiting hospitals like UAB for max reimbursement. In 2016 I was first in the state to have an infusion gout treatment at approximately $38,000 every 2 weeks taking 26 treatments. It essentially was a 200cc of drug diffused with 1 IV over 4 hours.

The same treatment today 2025 at UAB cost approximately $68,000 every 2 weeks. Typical treatment duration is 2 years.

I can have the exact same treatment in Auburn at my rhumatologist office / clinic for $38,000 every 2 weeks.

The only difference is overhead.

It is such a waste. Medicare should require the cheaper of the treatments. Medicare could pay mileage, food and lodging and even supplemental of a $100 bucks for travel miscellaneous. That one patient alone would save all of us approximately $56,000 a month for 24 months so over 1 million dollars.

Please note that in 2017 I canceled my 2nd year of treatment at UAB even though I was in the least pain in decades because I did not believe the treatment was curing me ( about 10% it does not). I was preapproved for the 2nd year but I felt it was to great a cost to all of us. Blue Cross does not care that I saved them the 20% copayment. They still bust my balls over any penny they can make claim for no reimbursement.

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It's pretty simple to save money/cut costs. You look at whatever governmental agency your dealing with and find out how much the budget is (requires a study), where the budget is spent (requires a piece of paper x100), which jobs are required to function and operate effectively and efficiently, and which jobs are not providing substance to it's mission. That's where the cuts should be. They're just deleting jobs to show people a number and it's eat it up like it's a good thing when in fact it's just a show... Some of those probationary jobs were/are skilled positions lol.
You guys have fun, I'm not gonna argue what simply takes common sense and removing the blinders.

Re: Government job cuts [Re: Vernon Tull] #4290214
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Originally Posted by Vernon Tull
Originally Posted by Mbrock
Lots of federal wildland firefighters, wildlife biologists and foresters have been cut. Hard to find careers in those fields. Wish there was more oversight on who’s getting cut.


That's exactly right. This administration is creating tremendous bad will even among good, conservative, loyal Americans who have done their jobs very well and deserve in no way to be fired. Cutting waste and fraud in government can be done in a sensible and systematic way instead of a blizzard of unthinking carnage and chaos.
I agree to an extent. But I think trump and crew know this has to be done fast and furious. You give democrats and rhino republicans a few months of planning over their wine and cheese study groups it won’t get done.

Re: Government job cuts [Re: woodduck] #4290221
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Originally Posted by woodduck
Originally Posted by Vernon Tull
Originally Posted by Mbrock
Lots of federal wildland firefighters, wildlife biologists and foresters have been cut. Hard to find careers in those fields. Wish there was more oversight on who’s getting cut.


That's exactly right. This administration is creating tremendous bad will even among good, conservative, loyal Americans who have done their jobs very well and deserve in no way to be fired. Cutting waste and fraud in government can be done in a sensible and systematic way instead of a blizzard of unthinking carnage and chaos.
I agree to an extent. But I think trump and crew know this has to be done fast and furious. You give democrats and rhino republicans a few months of planning over their wine and cheese study groups it won’t get done.



It’s a hard reset or least as hard as they can go. They’ll bring back some I’m sure but this whole entire situation is one huge bureaucratic nightmare


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Re: Government job cuts [Re: Ridge Life] #4290226
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Trump is in his last term as President and he understands that drastic measures have to be done and done quickly or they won't get done. He isn't running for re-election so doing some things that aren't comfortable or popular along with all the good things he is doing is just getting us to a better place. In a few years all the anxiety and concern will be forgotten and focused on something else.


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