I do it with 7mm-08 140 gr. Winchester ballistic silvertips in the front shoulder inside of 150 yds. I had one this year that went about 15 yds after the hit but he was 260 yds out and I hit him 1 1/2” behind the shoulder while he was walking across a greenfield. It is the only round I deer hunt with.

They “Tip Over, fold up or whatever you want to call it” in their tracks. lol