Originally Posted by Pwyse
Originally Posted by Mbrock
Originally Posted by desertdog
How can one bit of Usefulness translate from a High Fence Property to the average free range landowner?

Habitat improvements can, but very little on deer herd management applies, UNLESS you have control of large acreages. Very large. We definitely manage herd dynamics different on fenced properties vs free range. People think you can fence a place and continue to manage like you have been. Can’t do it. Deer harvest is taken to a whole new level once a fence goes up.


I think if you have a large acreage hi fence with native deer ( which he admits in his seminar some of his properties are) the list would be shorter of what didn’t translate instead of what did.


Nope. It'll still change a bunch. Most high fence properties trap the crap out of predators, get rid of hogs, feed heavily. Fawn survival is exponentially higher and supplemental feeding and habitat management greatly increases the ability to maintain higher deer densities. Question is, which density and ratio are correct for your property and what you want to accomplish and how do you establish and maintain it. Herd is now confined within a finite area with virtually all natural mortality from outside factors being greatly reduced, other than rut mortality. Most of the deer mortality within a fence comes from man and those decisions that man makes become exponentially more important because that high fence prohibits your getting or not getting native replenishment of your herd and genetics from outside sources. How many does should be shot, exactly which bucks can/should be taken and which bucks should be protected at all cost? How many bucks and does do you want to carry within the fence at any given time? Too few bucks, you increase rut stress. To many bucks and you also increase rut stress and rut mortality and start having bucks killing each other and busting up racks, damaging pedicles, etc. They cannot just relocate to another adjoining property to avoid confrontation. Example: You've had your high fence for 5 years and you've got a 165" 4 yr old 10 point that is your best up and comer. You're carrying more bucks than you should and that superstar 10 gets in a fight with a 7 yr old 6 point that breaks his main beam off below the skull plate and that buck either dies from a brain abscess or survives and most likely has a damaged pedicle and never scores high on that side again. Every decision within a fence, comes with consequences, because mother nature is not there to bail you out when you make a bad one.

People can really screw up a high fence in a very short period of time if you dont have someone like Matt (and a few others that are very good at it) to assist in establishing and managing your nutrition, layout, herd dynamics and harvest strategies. It's not a hard topic to learn, but nobody is going to learn it in one session or one or two seasons. I'm sure Buxton has a ton of hands on experience but I'm not so sure that he has any formal training and I'm almost certain that he does not have any formal education in the form a wildlife biology degree, let alone the advanced wildlife degrees that most of the really good wildlife biologists possess, in addition to all of their in the field experience.