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DOGE #4295591
03/06/25 08:10 AM
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Don't know how accurate this is, but it's interesting if true.

Checkmate.
Attorney Tom Renz, who actually read Trump's D.O.G.E. Executive Order and, expecting some illegal power grab, found it to be airtight. Turns out Trump and Musk didn't create anything. Obama did.
Obama created United States Digital Service (USDS) in 2014. It was meant as a bureaucratic patch job to fix the Obamacare website meltdown.

Fast forward to 2025. Trump rebrands it DOGE (United States DOGE Service). Keeps the acronym, keeps the funding, but gives it a whole new mission: Find the Receipts
Legally untouchable because it was already fully funded and operational. Trump invokes 5 USC 3161, which allows him to create temporary hiring authorities. DOGE teams get embedded inside every single federal agency. Each team consists of a lawyer, HR rep, a zoomer nerd, and an investigator. They report to DOGE, not the agency they're embedded in.
But wait, there's more! Trump invokes 44 USC Chapter 35, which governs federal IT and cybersecurity oversight. Since USDS was originally an IT oversight body, DOGE now has full access to all federal data systems. Yes, that’s right. All of them.
His executive order is written to block legal challenges. Includes language that overrides conflicting executive orders. Orders every agency to comply. Refusal means they violate presidential authority.

Congress can't defund it because it's not a new program, just a repurposed one. DOJ can't sue for overreach because Trump used existing laws exactly as written. Democrats trying to file legal challenges run into standing issues because DOGE operates within existing frameworks.

Obama literally built the perfect Administrative (read: Deep State) IT backdoor.
Trump and Musk just hacked the system and took the admin controls. Musk now has legal oversight of every major agency's internal systems. The Administrative State can't stop it without rewriting multiple federal laws.

They legally outplayed the system and there’s nothing anyone can do about it.
Obama created DOGE.
Checkmate. -Un-Common Sense

Re: DOGE [Re: klay] #4295598
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Yup. I was aware that something like that was happening when Obamacare was being interjected into my grants. Its just a checkbox thing for filing the paperwork, right next to the other tax lines and boxes. I basically ignored it, like most folks, but I did wonder why it was there.
I was surveying farm land for the NRCS and the paperwork always had a sheet just for taxes and such, so it seemed like nothing unusual.
Also, all of my grants had digital reporting requirements. Again, that seemed normal because my final products were made to be digitally accessible anyway. It never occurred to me that it was related to Obamacare.


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Re: DOGE [Re: klay] #4295601
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That backdoor also has access to every banking system and financial institution in America. But Barry O wasn't using it to find waste and abuse. They were using it to do the very thing the idiot Dems are accusing Musk of ( which he is not doing ) . They actually did spy on us. As usual, the left always falsely accuse their opponents of the crimes that they are actually committing.

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Re: DOGE [Re: klay] #4295688
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I am AMAZED how prepared Trump was this time.


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One thing I don’t understand though. How is it that congress can’t defund an existing program, but can defund a new one, even though both are existing?

Or is it that they can try but Trump would have to sign it into law like a bill?

Re: DOGE [Re: Beer Belly] #4295716
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Originally Posted by Beer Belly

I am AMAZED how prepared Trump was this time.



He's got the right people this time ( jury is still out on Bondi) and the swamp gave him a doctorate level degree in "know thy enemy" last go around. That 4 year window to prepare was the worst thing possible for the swamp. They are over matched and under prepared for the war Trump is waging. Once he gets the DOJ cleaned up I expect to see the prosecutions start .


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