heb 9:12 neither by the blood of goats and calves but by HIS own blood He entered in once into the holy place having obtained eternal redemption for us.
v14 how much more shall the BLOOD OF CHRIST who thru the eternal Spirit offered Himself Without spot to God purge your conscience from DEAD WORKS to serve the living God.

most every church has been corrupted from the herasy of lordship salvation.

You didn't answer my question. Is there obedience involved?

for SALVATION...no works are required WE TRUST IN HIS FINNISHED WORK
for SERVICE.....ABSOLUTLY

we serve Him out of gratitude.
rom 12:1 i beseech you therefore brethren by the mercies of God that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice holy acceptable unto God which is your reasonable SERVICE.

Interesting. So you're saying obedience to commands constitutes works?

Romans 6 1-4 addresses continuing in a known sin after being forgiven. Yes we all will continue to make mistakes and sin but those sins are continually forgiven if your walking in the light. If you are living in willful sin and refuse to repent and turn from it that’s a different situation.Its hard I have many friends that got married early in life and got divorced because they couldn’t get along and later remarried and have a wonderful life with children etc. But it doesn’t change the fact they’re living in adultry according to the word of God.

Well you are right about the sin but there is forgiveness . David committed adultery, murder, and lied. Somehow God forgave him he used Nathan to confront him and he past judgement on himself. The child died but he kept Bethsheba why was he allowed to keep her?

I have enjoyed our discussion but I cant hold my eyes open much longer

Yep. Work comes early in the morning.

yes obedience is works. turning from sin is works.

Jonah 3 10 and God saw their WORKS that they turned from their evil way and God repented of the evil that He had said that He would do unto them and He did it not.

the Bible says turning from sin is a work.
you not sinning is again not what justifies you
you are declared righteous by faith in Jesus christ

the pharisees were trusting in their works and rejected the messiah

lordshippers are the modern day pharisees

"Faith without works is dead"

That is to say if a person is really saved, the works will follow salvation, not out of obligation necessarily, more out of obedience to a God one loves so much, he just dont want to let him down.

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I knew someone would bring up james 2. lordshippers always do but what is the context of james 2. it's dealing with SERVICE NOT SALVATION. if u see someone in need you do good works and help them.

Abraham was justified in the eyes of God by faith
Abraham was justified by the eyes of men when he offered isaac.

matt 5 :16 let your light so shine before MEN that they may see your good WORKS and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
this is what james 2 is talking about justification before men.

AGAIN don't confuse scripture dealing with salvation with SCRIPTURE dealing with SERVICE
they are 2 different things.

I married a girl that had been divorced - i felt like Lord put me with her. Could explain but may take a paragraph or 2

Iron sharpens iron but too many times i hav also been a judge when i should not have been one. Lov conquers all

and you are both forgiven if you put your faith in the death burial and resurrection of Jesus christ you ARE SAVED 1 cor 1:18
of course the corrupt bibles say BEING SAVED because the romanist wescott and hort were works trusters

Good morning where does the word repentance fit into this equation

You wont get saved without it

When y’all get this all sorted out, can y’all get us all on the same page about which translation and denomination are the “real” ones?

(Thanks, I’ll hang up and listen)

What about living together? Sex before marriage?????? (test drive before you fully commit) all ages involved lots of guilty folks

Ever heard the term , "living in sin ?"