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Re: Season Dates
[Re: Gobble4me757]
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03/06/25 12:20 PM
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This was a predictable outcome of this study. Especially, since the folks doing the study said that it was a compromise(a shorter setback) to the dates that the season was pushed back. They stated that no one would tolerate the dates that it needed to be pushed back to based on nesting times.
83% of all statistics are made up.
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Re: Season Dates
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03/06/25 01:27 PM
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They stated that no one would tolerate the dates that it needed to be pushed back to based on nesting times. Needed? It was more like suggested for the purposes of swinging the pendulum to a crazy unrealistic direction. Which would pretty much be not having a hunting season. So - they can take some huge unhunted property and do that flipping study if they want. Crazy how well that would align with anti-hunting. Which I have alluded to several times. They did a realistic study. One where turkey hunting can still be an actual thing that hunters enjoy. One that has taken place for a long time and still maintains very huntable population and supports thriving populations in places. DGT was on the wrong side of these findings. Oh well, it hurts to be wrong I guess.
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Re: Season Dates
[Re: turkey247]
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03/06/25 03:21 PM
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They stated that no one would tolerate the dates that it needed to be pushed back to based on nesting times. Needed? It was more like suggested for the purposes of swinging the pendulum to a crazy unrealistic direction. Which would pretty much be not having a hunting season. So - they can take some huge unhunted property and do that flipping study if they want. Crazy how well that would align with anti-hunting. Which I have alluded to several times. They did a realistic study. One where turkey hunting can still be an actual thing that hunters enjoy. One that has taken place for a long time and still maintains very huntable population and supports thriving populations in places. DGT was on the wrong side of these findings. Oh well, it hurts to be wrong I guess. Sounds like you should take your issues up with the folks in TN that picked the dates for the study. According to the parameters they set, it could be deemed as inconclusive, unfortunately. Hope they don’t, but could. That’s what I was afraid of when they first was talking about setting the test up. So, technically, it didn’t prove anything, according to their initial talks about the test. Maybe they can spin it and get some season dates back to where they previously were. Either way, peak gobbling will be around the first of April for me just like every other year that I’ve been turkey hunting.
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Re: Season Dates
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03/06/25 05:18 PM
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This was a predictable outcome of this study. Especially, since the folks doing the study said that it was a compromise(a shorter setback) to the dates that the season was pushed back. They stated that no one would tolerate the dates that it needed to be pushed back to based on nesting times. We have already established that you and I don't agree on this, but I think you really misunderstood what was said about those dates. You first said something about this relating to the study in MS. Butler did say that they were not going to consider opening the season at peak nesting initiation, which would have pushed the season to 4/15 or 4/20. I don't remember the exact date they used, but they weren't going to consider a date that late, so there was no point in studying it. That seemed like common sense to me. You might as well make the wild turkey a fully protected creature, no different than a bald eagle, if you are going to start the season that late. What they were willing to study was to see if there was any improvement in poult production by starting the season 4/1, or about 2 weeks later than the historical opening date. My understanding is that the studies in both MS and TN found no benefit. That should have been studied BEFORE changing the season dates, but it wasn't.
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Re: Season Dates
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03/06/25 05:50 PM
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This was a predictable outcome of this study. Especially, since the folks doing the study said that it was a compromise(a shorter setback) to the dates that the season was pushed back. They stated that no one would tolerate the dates that it needed to be pushed back to based on nesting times. We have already established that you and I don't agree on this, but I think you really misunderstood what was said about those dates. Yep
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Re: Season Dates
[Re: poorcountrypreacher]
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03/06/25 07:43 PM
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This was a predictable outcome of this study. Especially, since the folks doing the study said that it was a compromise(a shorter setback) to the dates that the season was pushed back. They stated that no one would tolerate the dates that it needed to be pushed back to based on nesting times. We have already established that you and I don't agree on this, but I think you really misunderstood what was said about those dates. You first said something about this relating to the study in MS. Butler did say that they were not going to consider opening the season at peak nesting initiation, which would have pushed the season to 4/15 or 4/20. I don't remember the exact date they used, but they weren't going to consider a date that late, so there was no point in studying it. That seemed like common sense to me. You might as well make the wild turkey a fully protected creature, no different than a bald eagle, if you are going to start the season that late. What they were willing to study was to see if there was any improvement in poult production by starting the season 4/1, or about 2 weeks later than the historical opening date. My understanding is that the studies in both MS and TN found no benefit. That should have been studied BEFORE changing the season dates, but it wasn't. There’s nothing to agree or disagree on. I’m stating the fact of what was said about the TN study. If you have issue with that then that’s on you. What I stated had nothing to do with opinion, mine or anyone else’s. You trying to make it out that way says alot, though. The point of my original post was that it’s not earth shattering results, aince they admitted that they didn’t think it went far enough back to where they thought it could make a difference.
83% of all statistics are made up.
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Re: Season Dates
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03/06/25 08:20 PM
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I’m stating the fact of what was said about the TN study.
Which one exactly? I looked back and didn’t exactly see what you’re driving at. Harper and Buehler never said what you are alluding to on the last turkey science podcast.
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Re: Season Dates
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03/06/25 08:34 PM
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This was a predictable outcome of this study. Especially, since the folks doing the study said that it was a compromise(a shorter setback) to the dates that the season was pushed back. They stated that no one would tolerate the dates that it needed to be pushed back to based on nesting times. We have already established that you and I don't agree on this, but I think you really misunderstood what was said about those dates. You first said something about this relating to the study in MS. Butler did say that they were not going to consider opening the season at peak nesting initiation, which would have pushed the season to 4/15 or 4/20. I don't remember the exact date they used, but they weren't going to consider a date that late, so there was no point in studying it. That seemed like common sense to me. You might as well make the wild turkey a fully protected creature, no different than a bald eagle, if you are going to start the season that late. What they were willing to study was to see if there was any improvement in poult production by starting the season 4/1, or about 2 weeks later than the historical opening date. My understanding is that the studies in both MS and TN found no benefit. That should have been studied BEFORE changing the season dates, but it wasn't. There’s nothing to agree or disagree on. I’m stating the fact of what was said about the TN study. If you have issue with that then that’s on you. What I stated had nothing to do with opinion, mine or anyone else’s. You trying to make it out that way says alot, though. The point of my original post was that it’s not earth shattering results, aince they admitted that they didn’t think it went far enough back to where they thought it could make a difference. I think what's confusing me is that you originally said that someone associated with the MS study predicted that the 4/1 date was not going to improve poult production numbers. I can look back and link that conversation if you need me to. But, Adam Butler, the study leader, said in the video associated with that thread that he expected improved numbers from that time, and was surprised that it didn't. After the TN study came out, you applied the prediction to it. Maybe you heard someone from TN make that prediction and got the state wrong when discussing MS? I haven't watched all the TN videos; do you have a link to whatever it was that was said?
All the labor of man is for his mouth, and yet the appetite is not filled.
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Re: Season Dates
[Re: poorcountrypreacher]
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03/07/25 08:28 AM
03/07/25 08:28 AM
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This was a predictable outcome of this study. Especially, since the folks doing the study said that it was a compromise(a shorter setback) to the dates that the season was pushed back. They stated that no one would tolerate the dates that it needed to be pushed back to based on nesting times. We have already established that you and I don't agree on this, but I think you really misunderstood what was said about those dates. You first said something about this relating to the study in MS. Butler did say that they were not going to consider opening the season at peak nesting initiation, which would have pushed the season to 4/15 or 4/20. I don't remember the exact date they used, but they weren't going to consider a date that late, so there was no point in studying it. That seemed like common sense to me. You might as well make the wild turkey a fully protected creature, no different than a bald eagle, if you are going to start the season that late. What they were willing to study was to see if there was any improvement in poult production by starting the season 4/1, or about 2 weeks later than the historical opening date. My understanding is that the studies in both MS and TN found no benefit. That should have been studied BEFORE changing the season dates, but it wasn't. There’s nothing to agree or disagree on. I’m stating the fact of what was said about the TN study. If you have issue with that then that’s on you. What I stated had nothing to do with opinion, mine or anyone else’s. You trying to make it out that way says alot, though. The point of my original post was that it’s not earth shattering results, aince they admitted that they didn’t think it went far enough back to where they thought it could make a difference. I think what's confusing me is that you originally said that someone associated with the MS study predicted that the 4/1 date was not going to improve poult production numbers. I can look back and link that conversation if you need me to. But, Adam Butler, the study leader, said in the video associated with that thread that he expected improved numbers from that time, and was surprised that it didn't. After the TN study came out, you applied the prediction to it. Maybe you heard someone from TN make that prediction and got the state wrong when discussing MS? I haven't watched all the TN videos; do you have a link to whatever it was that was said? I have not been talking about the MS study at all.
83% of all statistics are made up.
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Re: Season Dates
[Re: turkey247]
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03/07/25 08:32 AM
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I’m stating the fact of what was said about the TN study.
Which one exactly? I looked back and didn’t exactly see what you’re driving at. Harper and Buehler never said what you are alluding to on the last turkey science podcast. It way back when they first started talking about the study.
83% of all statistics are made up.
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Re: Season Dates
[Re: turkey247]
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03/07/25 08:35 AM
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Earth shattering news - if turkey season was pushed to May 15th - scientists believe the population might increase It depends on what the results showed them. That’s usually how that works in research.
83% of all statistics are made up.
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Re: Season Dates
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03/07/25 08:55 AM
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I’m stating the fact of what was said about the TN study.
Which one exactly? I looked back and didn’t exactly see what you’re driving at. Harper and Buehler never said what you are alluding to on the last turkey science podcast. It way back when they first started talking about the study. I kinda remembered something, but it wasn’t really that relevant. They never even briefly mention it - in the results of the study - so it’s obviously something nobody cares about. Even if they did, and they don’t - pushing season into May and June is effectively eliminating turkey hunting. So what does it matter. It doesn’t. Again - it’s sucks to be wrong. And the DGT disciples are butthurt, but they are going to have to accept it. Even more, the state agencies need to accept it.
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