This feels like an argument Jesus would’ve had with the Pharisees if those discussions occurred modern day. Saying “the scripture is there…look it up” doesn’t cut it. Please show me specific scripture that insinuates that dressing in normal casual clothes on Sunday morning is unacceptable.
1 Tim. 2 9-10 : likewise also that women should adorn themselves in respectable attire, with modesty and self control ............... Key words respectable and modesty .
Back when the NT was written , there was not a lot of choices in clothing, mostly clean and dirty.
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Re: Church attire
[Re: Pwyse]
#4297162 03/09/2508:50 PM03/09/2508:50 PM
This feels like an argument Jesus would’ve had with the Pharisees if those discussions occurred modern day. Saying “the scripture is there…look it up” doesn’t cut it. Please show me specific scripture that insinuates that dressing in normal casual clothes on Sunday morning is unacceptable.
Agreed
Why dont yall show me a scripture where this church building is mentioned. Matter of fact, yall explain that scripture in Timothy and Titus plainly says a bishop is to be a man of one wife. That is absolutely a rule God put in the bible. Some will say "that just means one wife at a time", well, show me where that scripture is in the bible that says that. Its not there. But if you ook at the definition of the word "one" in the original text, the last derinition is "first", a mand first wife. But humans have decided what he really meant to make it easier and better for us, so more people will come to church. When we take what scripture there is in the bible on a particular subject and explain it in a way that we get what we think is right, or makes life a little more comfortable for us, we have messed up already. Christians are told to not be like everyone eles, but the argument here is we can dress just like everyone else and itll be just fine. The fact of the matter is God knows what is in your heart. Our actions, including how we dress, is an outward showing of whats in our heart. Presenting our body holy and acceptable is a reasonable service, nothing special, reckon he will accept that sacrifice if we say "ill present my body Lord, as long as its comfortable for me?" I doubt it.
This feels like an argument Jesus would’ve had with the Pharisees if those discussions occurred modern day. Saying “the scripture is there…look it up” doesn’t cut it. Please show me specific scripture that insinuates that dressing in normal casual clothes on Sunday morning is unacceptable.
Agreed
Why dont yall show me a scripture where this church building is mentioned. Matter of fact, yall explain that scripture in Timothy and Titus plainly says a bishop is to be a man of one wife. That is absolutely a rule God put in the bible. Some will say "that just means one wife at a time", well, show me where that scripture is in the bible that says that. Its not there. But if you ook at the definition of the word "one" in the original text, the last derinition is "first", a mand first wife. But humans have decided what he really meant to make it easier and better for us, so more people will come to church. When we take what scripture there is in the bible on a particular subject and explain it in a way that we get what we think is right, or makes life a little more comfortable for us, we have messed up already. Christians are told to not be like everyone eles, but the argument here is we can dress just like everyone else and itll be just fine. The fact of the matter is God knows what is in your heart. Our actions, including how we dress, is an outward showing of whats in our heart. Presenting our body holy and acceptable is a reasonable service, nothing special, reckon he will accept that sacrifice if we say "ill present my body Lord, as long as its comfortable for me?" I doubt it.
Maybe I’m not understanding what you are saying. Are you saying we should dress up, compared to everyone else, all the time, or just on Sunday mornings when you go to church?
Many folk who REALLY need Jesus, don't have Sunday best. You may be looking at their best. I'm not a betting man, but if I were, I'd bet Jesus wouldn't care what they wore. He'd wash their feet. This is one of the greatest problems with the modern church. All denominations. People sitting in the crowd judging others. It turns those in need away. It sours them to the church. Nobody wants to go into a building full of people who aren't like them just to be frowned upon. Jesus would rebuke those doing the frowning. The gossiping. The judging. And he would embrace those being judged.
This is one of the reasons I have so little respect for most organized churches. Most attending are there for the wrong reasons and aren't learning a thing about how to be like Jesus. It's a show.
They've got a court or funeral shirt. They should wear that.
Yep. That's precisely the attitude I was describing. You're making assumptions. Not a very Christ like attitude to have. Judgmental is the word. I'm no biblical scholar, but I do remember something about a commandment. The most simple commandment to honor and also the most often broken. I never met Jesus, but if I did, I'd bet he wouldn't draw the same conclusion you did. But I digress. There is a reason I rarely chime in on religious threads or conversations. Many Christians lack the ability to look in a mirror and see a single flaw.
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Re: Church attire
[Re: 3toe]
#4297172 03/09/2508:59 PM03/09/2508:59 PM
Yes. There certaily is. Google your words "scripture for dress and attire". See what happens. Theres plenty of scripture about it. No, it dont say "wear this when you go to church". But scripture about dress and attire itself should show us that God does care about that too, because he put it in there. And we should surely honor God in every way when were going to worship him.
I respect your views but I think you are being a little short sighted on this issue. I understand what you are saying, but I think your view is also coming from a traditional point of view on the church being a building people congregate to worship.
Case in point, my son’s FIL minsters a church for the homeless in downtown Birmingham. The “church” is a parking lot, no building. Some 100-150 homeless come every Sunday to hear the word. They are also given a free hot meal and free sundries to take after the sermon. As you would imagine most are in dirty clothes, rags, and not very good hygiene. But, they show up week after week. My wife and I have helped numerous times with serving the meals, giving out gifts at Christmas and Thanksgiving. It’s truly humbling to watch God work with people who have been broken through life yet still have faith to show up and give glory to God.
I do believe that those of us who are fortunate enough should have respect for the house of God and honor it with our good appearance. But, I also believe God welcomes the poor and destitute into his house more than the well dressed who is there for appearances.
But those people dont have a closet to pull clothes out of. Likely some kind of mental issue causing the situation theyre in. They are likely doing their best just to get there. On the other hand, if a man has a closet full of clothes and h pulls his best out to go to work or on a date with his wife but pulls out the same clothes he would wear to a ballgame in july to go to cgurch, he is absolutely showing his boss and his wife more honor and respect than he is God. Its happening standing there at the closet when he choses his clothes. Think about it. I dont wear a suit and tie to church. I do wear the best i have and i wear the same to my church and to that church where the preacher shows up in shorts and flip flops. Its a matter of respect.
Re: Church attire
[Re: Pwyse]
#4297175 03/09/2509:02 PM03/09/2509:02 PM
This feels like an argument Jesus would’ve had with the Pharisees if those discussions occurred modern day. Saying “the scripture is there…look it up” doesn’t cut it. Please show me specific scripture that insinuates that dressing in normal casual clothes on Sunday morning is unacceptable.
Agreed
Why dont yall show me a scripture where this church building is mentioned. Matter of fact, yall explain that scripture in Timothy and Titus plainly says a bishop is to be a man of one wife. That is absolutely a rule God put in the bible. Some will say "that just means one wife at a time", well, show me where that scripture is in the bible that says that. Its not there. But if you ook at the definition of the word "one" in the original text, the last derinition is "first", a mand first wife. But humans have decided what he really meant to make it easier and better for us, so more people will come to church. When we take what scripture there is in the bible on a particular subject and explain it in a way that we get what we think is right, or makes life a little more comfortable for us, we have messed up already. Christians are told to not be like everyone eles, but the argument here is we can dress just like everyone else and itll be just fine. The fact of the matter is God knows what is in your heart. Our actions, including how we dress, is an outward showing of whats in our heart. Presenting our body holy and acceptable is a reasonable service, nothing special, reckon he will accept that sacrifice if we say "ill present my body Lord, as long as its comfortable for me?" I doubt it.
Maybe I’m not understanding what you are saying. Are you saying we should dress up, compared to everyone else, all the time, or just on Sunday mornings when you go to church?
When you are making any decision what youre fixin to do, choose the way that brings honor and glory to God. It has nothing to do with what everyone else is doing. We should give God our best all the time.
Yes. There certaily is. Google your words "scripture for dress and attire". See what happens. Theres plenty of scripture about it. No, it dont say "wear this when you go to church". But scripture about dress and attire itself should show us that God does care about that too, because he put it in there. And we should surely honor God in every way when were going to worship him.
I respect your views but I think you are being a little short sighted on this issue. I understand what you are saying, but I think your view is also coming from a traditional point of view on the church being a building people congregate to worship.
Case in point, my son’s FIL minsters a church for the homeless in downtown Birmingham. The “church” is a parking lot, no building. Some 100-150 homeless come every Sunday to hear the word. They are also given a free hot meal and free sundries to take after the sermon. As you would imagine most are in dirty clothes, rags, and not very good hygiene. But, they show up week after week. My wife and I have helped numerous times with serving the meals, giving out gifts at Christmas and Thanksgiving. It’s truly humbling to watch God work with people who have been broken through life yet still have faith to show up and give glory to God.
I do believe that those of us who are fortunate enough should have respect for the house of God and honor it with our good appearance. But, I also believe God welcomes the poor and destitute into his house more than the well dressed who is there for appearances.
But those people dont have a closet to pull clothes out of. Likely some kind of mental issue causing the situation theyre in. They are likely doing their best just to get there. On the other hand, if a man has a closet full of clothes and h pulls his best out to go to work or on a date with his wife but pulls out the same clothes he would wear to a ballgame in july to go to cgurch, he is absolutely showing his boss and his wife more honor and respect than he is God. Its happening standing there at the closet when he choses his clothes. Think about it. I dont wear a suit and tie to church. I do wear the best i have and i wear the same to my church and to that church where the preacher shows up in shorts and flip flops. Its a matter of respect.
Is the man wearing those nice clothes on a date or work to show them respect, or is he trying to impress them? I know I wear what I wear when I go out some place fancy with the wife to impress her. To look nice for her. It’s not because she doesn’t know I respect her and I need to show it. God gets no respect or glory by what you wear to church on Sunday. And if that’s how you are trying to show respect to him, you are missing the boat, respectfully.
I reckon im done. I really didnt mean to get this deep off into all this. I love all yall and i sure didnt mean to offend anyone. I just love the Lord a whole lot more and i know he deserves all the honor and respect ill ever be able to muster for what hes done for me. I sure wouldnt want my respect for God to come off as disrespect for any of yall, if that happened, i am sorry. I just owe him so much. Yall have a good night.
When you are making any decision what youre fixin to do, choose the way that brings honor and glory to God. It has nothing to do with what everyone else is doing. We should give God our best all the time.
I agree with that statement Jdub, but I think we disagree that fancier clothes are our best. And that’s ok that we disagree. I know you love the Lord with all that you are. And you strive to live a holy life. I have a ton of respect for you for that. You keep honoring God the best way you know how, and He will continue to show you Himself and bless you beyond your wildest imagination. I know He does me that way when I strive to honor Him.
I reckon im done. I really didnt mean to get this deep off into all this. I love all yall and i sure didnt mean to offend anyone. I just love the Lord a whole lot more and i know he deserves all the honor and respect ill ever be able to muster for what hes done for me. I sure wouldnt want my respect for God to come off as disrespect for any of yall, if that happened, i am sorry. I just owe him so much. Yall have a good night.
I'm sure He doesent care what I wear. I just want to hear His word sit where I can see the entrance pick out what's concealment and cover have enough spare mags to solve the problems. I'm not paranoid just prepared.
When you are making any decision what youre fixin to do, choose the way that brings honor and glory to God. It has nothing to do with what everyone else is doing. We should give God our best all the time.
Biblically speaking, how does a coat and tie, or slacks and a button down “bring more honor and glory to God” than the Huk hoodie, shorts and flip flops I wore the other night helping lead youth group? How, scripturally, is one “better” than the other? Saying one “better” than the other is 100% man’s opinion.
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Used to wear suit/tie but now it’s a dress shirt, slacks, coat. Sunday evening might have nice jeans and a button down. I do think COVID caused a lot of folks to dress down a bit.
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