I have fun with genealogy in my spare time. I come from Scottish, Irish, Welsh, and Scandinavian, but I am also descendent of two separate Chiefs of the Mvskoke Creek Native Americans or Red Sticks.

These two dudes were great grandfathers of mine...

https://encyclopediaofalabama.org/article/menawa/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opothleyahola

Both were of Scottish descent intermarried with Creek women. The Creeks were a matriarchal society so the women controlled the property and when a man married a Creek woman he joined her clan.

If you are into history and Southeastern Native culture at all the link below is an interesting read...

https://electricscotland.com/history/america/american_indians.htm

A short quote from the article for those that don't read much is below. Those who know anything about Southeastern history should know who William Bartram is...

As early as the 1730s, British philanthropist James Oglethorpe enticed a band of Highlanders, mostly from the Inverness region, to settle in Georgia with the hope that this Presbyterian group would serve as a buffer against the Catholic Spanish in Florida. The settlers thrived, and by midcentury members of Clan Chattan virtually controlled all the Indian trade within the Creek nation. One trade item that proved popular was cloth for a kilt, for by coincidence the outlawed Scottish kilt resembled the traditional male Creek breechcloth. Both of these skirt like outfits proved especially suitable for Georgia’s wet, marshy terrain, and traveler William Bartram once likened Creek dress to the Highland kilt. The Scots traders influenced Creek headgear as well, selling a number of turban like coverings, to which the Natives usually added feathers. With each passing decade, noted historian J. Leitch Wright, Jr., "the dress of Muscogulge warriors seemed more like that of Highland lairds."

The cultural borrowing between Scots and southeastern Natives did not stop with the modification of material objects. Ideas, stories, and legends must have been exchanged as well. Although these are hard to trace with any precision, they are potentially far more powerful. In the legends surrounding the Battle of Culloden, one meets, perhaps, the most extensive Scots-Native borrowing of all.

The battle of Culloden in 1746 did far more than simply send Jacobite sympathizers to North America. This last dramatic rallying of the Scots clans may also have had an impact on the evolution of American Indian resistance strategy against the Euro-American settlers. Although this is admittedly a speculative argument—no documentary evidence exists one way or the other—it has the benefit of historical logic. The case revolves largely around the activities of the McGillivray clan.

I have excavated some of my direct descendants. ... Nothing like digging up your own great-great-grandaddy and granny. Most of us multi-generational Alabamians are related from those days. The real trick is figuring out which Tawa (Indian Town) the female descendants are from.
Back then, Indian men were few in number compared to Indian women, and White men were large in number compared to available white women. White men had more stuff and power than the Indian men, so it was easy pickings for Indian women. One of my ancestors had twelve plus children with an Indian woman from Pakana and another from Atasi had about 8, then another from Tukabatchee (Ulibahali) with a northern line to the Shawnee via Tecumseh's family. Those children went on to make more. But many of us also came from the same larger clans in Scotland or North England, and also, from multi-generational large families. Charleston or Boston or Mobile were the drop off points.
As the United States white people expanded into the South, the Indian genetics became washed out in short order. Often in one or two generations. Jackson winning the Creek Wars and then laying full claim to Mobile and New Orleans plus 1835 removal and the Seminole wars put an end to a lot of the inter-breeding.

Indeed.

From my understanding the Poarch Creek do not allow their tribal members to undergo DNA tests, because they don't want anyone else in their tribe to split the gambling money.

Just think, y’all are probably related to me 😂🤣😂🤣

Ulibahali was a town Soto went through.

yup

Mothers side was Welch that became Appalachian hillbillies long time ago…….On my fathers side however my great grandfather and his brothers immigrated here from Ukraine……My dad and grandad were both full fledged Yankees that grew up in a Jewish community on Long Island….My grandad spoke Russian fairly well……Grandmother was from Arab though…..Met my grandad when he was in the military and moved to New York for like 25 or 30 years before moving back to Guntersville when my dad was about 19 years old……My dad died right after I was born and my mother remarried into another Appalachian hillbilly family of Scotch Irish decent who raised me…….So I’m an interesting mix……A full fledged hillbilly with the last name Kowalsky……

Shoot....you might be related to Dryfire.

Great grandfather on my mother's side fought along side Andrew Jackson in the civil war. For his bravery and service he was awarded 600 acres of land by Jackson and is still in the family. Possum Hollow

My dad's side is German, Irish and.......you guessed it......Indian. My grandfather's mother was full blooded Indian. She died when I was around 5 or 6 but I still remember her. This was my grandfather, half Indian, half German.

How did you trace your Indian ancestors to find out who they were ?
We know our GGrandmother was Indian but it doesn’t show up in DNA tests
Her name was Alabama and her sister name was Missouri

Is he from Grant??.. ...I think everyone there is a cousin of mine …..That’s on my mom’s side though ……..My grandad was one of thirteen kids that all grew up and branched out in that area….There’s damn a whole cemetery full of them……That’s him and my great-grandmother

Some of my clan came from Scotland to Sligo Ireland after England stole their land. Some of my family has been to the old family plot in Sligo . I hope to get over there this Summer. I'm also French and am a direct descendent of one of General Lafayette's men . He was given several hundred acres in Georgia by the new and grateful US. BTW, the Catholic Church can be a great help if you have Catholic ancestors.

She was from around Union Springs, most likely towards the east side of the Chunnenuggee ridge around the old Barbour-Russell county line near the spring head run-off start of the Pea River. Its along the Creek Indian treaty boundary line in present day Bullock county.

My ancestors arrived in Conecuh county by wagon in 1817. Lived at Ft Crawford in Brewton.

We have a family historian…i dont rekin he had anything better to do…but..according to him…we arrived in newberry south carolina around 1740ish…and in 1742…my whole buncha greats grandfather his wife and youngins lit out south west…apparently…there was a small bastion of white folks livin with the indians somewhere in north alabama which was like..Mississippi territory at the time..or some baloney….soo..apparently they came here and settled on sand mountain and lived with the Indians…i dont rekin there was many white folks at all..but i guess they hated the British so much they decided to get as far away from them as they could. My family is HEAVILY influenced by indian blood…like..my grandaddy looked like he tripped an fell off the reservation…so did alot of my family…it took to about my generation for us to be able to grow decent facial hair…I unfortunately did not get the extremely dark complexion and jet black hair..but my aunt did…she goes to walmart an people start talkin to her in spanish..i have no idea if its all true..but we have been here for a very very long time…and we have word of mouth stories that are insanely old…paw paw told us stories his great grandpaws grandpaw told him…i know alot of peoples who claim thos kinda crap…but we supposedly have a well documented history…not sure why…all we ever been is dirt farmers..but i guess everyone needs a hobby..aggervatin really we been here all this time an aint got diddly to show for it🤷🏻

My kin migrated through Sand Mountain Cullman/ Boaz area. Some last named Williams, Hunt, Rosser, and others

I can tell you unequivocally that if you don’t show native on a DNA test you are not. There were many caucasian derivatives that would fool an Indian with the dark skin and hawke nose.

Check the Dawes Rolls

I did.

Fortunately for me both my great grandfathers (5th and 6th on different lines) were quite famous dudes. Menewa a Chief (Miko) of the Creek and was wounded 7 times at the Battle of Horseshoe Bend, but survived and was one of the leaders of the Red Sticks. He died somewhere in Arkansas on the Trail of tears. I'm descended from one of his daughters who stayed behind and covered up her Native American ancestry.

Opoethleyohollo was a famous dude too. He also fought at the Battle of Horseshoe Bend. He was only 16 at the time. (Which was a grown ass man back then.) he later became Speaker of the Creeks which sometimes and sometimes not had the title of Miko (Chief). He sent The Law Menders over to Georgia and had William McIntosh's home burned down and they killed McIntosh and his sons for signing a treaty with the State of Georgia seceding all the Creek lands in Georgia. Opoethleyohollo was also driven west, but he too a bunch of Red Sticks with him and eventually dies in Kansas after being relentlessly chased by the Texas Cavalry because they wouldn't take up arms against the Union Forces and join the Confederacy during the Civil War. He died in Union controlled Kansas and there is a small monument to him in a park in there.

I say all that because it was easier to find those guys, because there is all kinds of stuff written about them.

I did my DNA, but like Skinny says above all of my Indian blood was already diluted with Scottish blood from the get go and then all the intermarrying of the daughters, granddaughters, etc... of those two guys even diluted it more until it doesn't even show up.

Fortunately for me the Chief of our tribe contacted me through Ancestry.com and as it turns out our DNA matched! I'm the Miko's 3rd cousin. So I submitted all my genealogy research to the tribe along with birth certificates and marriage records and I was accepted.

So that's the way it all went down. I honestly feel very blessed to be a part of this group. They are all really cool people and it's like one big family reunion every time we all get together.

You won’t completely dilute out Sephardic Jew, Basque, nor Indigenous Americas because of certain DNA signatures and blood factors that don’t completely go away, not happenin captain. 😂🤣😂