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Tariffs hitting the markets
#4306742
04/03/25 08:04 AM
04/03/25 08:04 AM
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Joined: Jan 2001
Posts: 12,544 Birmingham
wew3006
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Not a good day to look at the market; Dow down 3.5%, S&P down 4.5% pre-opening. Unless you want to buy?
Last edited by wew3006; 04/03/25 08:04 AM.
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Re: Tariffs hitting the markets
[Re: wew3006]
#4306767
04/03/25 09:12 AM
04/03/25 09:12 AM
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Posts: 4,933 Alabama
jmj120
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Not a good day to look at the market; Dow down 3.5%, S&P down 4.5% pre-opening. Unless you want to buy? Seems like every 2 years we get some event like this.
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Re: Tariffs hitting the markets
[Re: wew3006]
#4306773
04/03/25 09:18 AM
04/03/25 09:18 AM
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Posts: 4,873 Lower Alabama
Andalusia
12 point
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12 point
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The "market" panics at every little thing. Granted...this is a "bigger" thing happening but the market will rebound on the next "little" or "big" positive thing that comes along. Sell on high days and buy on low days to rebalance your portfolio.
Last edited by Andalusia; 04/03/25 09:20 AM.
"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it"
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Re: Tariffs hitting the markets
[Re: wew3006]
#4306780
04/03/25 09:25 AM
04/03/25 09:25 AM
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Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 12,663 Kennedy, al
globe
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Amazon and google are still a buy, but you missed the boat at 100.00 a share. Amazon just put in a bid for tictoc, whether you like it or not does not matter. Whoever buys it will make $.
Everything woke turns to shit
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Re: Tariffs hitting the markets
[Re: wew3006]
#4306782
04/03/25 09:33 AM
04/03/25 09:33 AM
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Joined: Dec 2002
Posts: 12,663 Kennedy, al
globe
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Booner
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Berkshire is still holding cash, waiting on the correction imo.
Everything woke turns to shit
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Re: Tariffs hitting the markets
[Re: wew3006]
#4306821
04/03/25 11:48 AM
04/03/25 11:48 AM
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Joined: Jan 2015
Posts: 222 Tuscaloosa
Kelly_123
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Will be interesting to see how the markets close. Bet they trim their losses...
If you can't laugh at your mistakes, go home.
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Re: Tariffs hitting the markets
[Re: wew3006]
#4306822
04/03/25 11:49 AM
04/03/25 11:49 AM
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Posts: 44,357 North Alabama
Wiley Coyote
Freak of Nature
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Freak of Nature
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Retiring in November and I froze my 401 this morning. Too close to the end to gamble.
Get the F out of the BATFE. The F is guaranteed by the US Constitution. Those other letters are not.
NRA Life Member
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Re: Tariffs hitting the markets
[Re: wew3006]
#4306826
04/03/25 11:54 AM
04/03/25 11:54 AM
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abolt300
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Been watching this unfold and here are some thoughts. Not sure that he's actually a long term/strategic enough thinker to do this, but is Trump attempting to intentionally put the US into a short recession to force treasury yields down, thus strategically reducing the interest that we are paying on our national debt (1.6 trillion in 2025)? While at the same time, forcing a complete re-negotiation of essentially all foreign trade agreements, while forcing a ton of manufacturing and jobs to come home? in other words, basically manipulating the US economy and international trade in order to be able to restructure and refi our debt and debt service, at favorable terms, just like you would do by taking advantage of refinancing your house at a lower rate, if you were in a position to be able to force the rates down at your own discretion and timing?
Scott Bessent certainly is strategic enough to do it and he said this morning, three times, that rates would be coming "way" down. If they can thread the needle and pull it off, it will be a huge win/win for the US. Helps with our cashflow and debt issues. Once new trade deals are negotiated, prices will come down on all the foreign crap that the US is addicted to. It brings jobs home, while at the same time opening up and making international trade much more favorable for US businesses, and those businesses will be paying additional US taxes on all that additional revenue. He's also said repeatedly over the past two weeks, that the US is not going to go into a recession. By definition that's a 6 month period.
Only question is, how long would the manipulated recession last (it's technically only a recession if there are 2 quarters of negative GDP....real definition, not the BS that Biden's group changed the definition to, in order to claim that we were not in a recession) and can they pull this off without crashing the US economy. Some jobs will be lost and some weaker companies will fall to the wayside but those that survive will be in much better shape moving into the future. Safety net, if it goes bad, is to simply drop all the tariffs and everything resets back to where it was.
We are living in very complicated and interesting financial times. I'll also mention that China and many other countries are constantly doing similar things, on a regular basis, through trade, govt subsidized industries, and blatant currency manipulation. Fun Fun. Buckle up.
Last edited by abolt300; 04/03/25 12:19 PM.
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Re: Tariffs hitting the markets
[Re: abolt300]
#4306829
04/03/25 12:06 PM
04/03/25 12:06 PM
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Joined: Jan 2017
Posts: 7,065 Mobile, AL
Pwyse
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Been watching this unfold and here are some thoughts. Not sure that he's actually a long term/strategic enough thinker to do this, but is Trump attempting to intentionally put the US into a short recession to force treasury yields down, thus strategically reducing the interest that we are paying on our national debt (1.6 trillion in 2025)? While at the same time, forcing a complete re-negotiation of essentially all foreign trade agreements, while forcing a ton of manufacturing and jobs to come home? in other words, basically manipulating the US economy and international trade in order to be able to restructure and refi our debt and debt service, at favorable terms, just like you would do by taking advantage of refinancing your house at a lower rate, if you were in a position to be able to force the rates down at your own discretion and timing?
Scott Bessent certainly is strategic enough to do it and he said this morning, three times, that rates would be coming "way" down. If they can thread the needle and pull it off, it will be a huge win/win for the US. Helps with our cashflow and debt issues. Once new trade deals are negotiated, prices will come down on all the foreign crap that the US is addicted to. It brings jobs home, while at the same time opening up and making international trade much more favorable for US businesses, and those business will be paying additional US taxes on all that additional revenue. He's also said repeatedly over the past two weeks, that the US is not going to go into a recession. By definition that's a 6 month period.
Only question is, how long would the manipulated recession last (it's technically only a recession if there are 2 quarters of negative GDP....real definition, not the BS that Biden's group changed the definition to, in order to claim that we were not in a recession) and can they pull this off without crashing the US economy. Some jobs will be lost and some weaker companies will fall to the wayside but those that survive will be in much better shape moving into the future. Safety net, if it goes bad, is to simply drop all the tariffs and everything resets back to where it was.
We are living in very complicated and interesting financial times. I'll also mention that China and many other countries are constantly doing similar things, on a regular basis, through trade, govt subsidized industries, and blatant currency manipulation. Fun Fun. Buckle up.
If they do cause the economy to crash, I’m not sure that dropping the tariffs would reset everything. I’m sure eventually it could but it would take time.
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Re: Tariffs hitting the markets
[Re: wew3006]
#4306834
04/03/25 12:16 PM
04/03/25 12:16 PM
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abolt300
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Pwyse, it's a calculated risk. I'm betting it works and also feel certain that they will not let it go all the way into a full blown crash before pulling that parachute, if they think it is headed that way. They've teased this out over the last several months and the market has slowly cooled off, and in a semi-controlled manner, sold off. Not crashed. I could easily be wrong, but at this point, I really think it is all planned and intentional.
Last edited by abolt300; 04/03/25 12:17 PM.
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Re: Tariffs hitting the markets
[Re: Wiley Coyote]
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04/03/25 12:20 PM
04/03/25 12:20 PM
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Posts: 3,368 leeds,al
geeb1
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Retiring in November and I froze my 401 this morning. Too close to the end to gamble. Hopefully this market will recover and then some before I retire 8-10 years from now. If it goes back up to all time highs, I'll be more in fixed.
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Re: Tariffs hitting the markets
[Re: wew3006]
#4306910
04/03/25 03:51 PM
04/03/25 03:51 PM
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Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 15,619 Hoover
Fattyfireplug
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We've had bigger drops over other meaningless shit. I don't trust the stock market or those who make their living at it. It damned sure isn't the lead indicator on American economy health, that's for sure.
Markets have to have ups and downs for winners and losers. The more volatile the market is the better it is for traders who make good decisions.
This should be seen as a good thing.
Character is not developed in moments of temptation and trial. That is when it is intended to be used.
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Re: Tariffs hitting the markets
[Re: jmj120]
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04/03/25 04:04 PM
04/03/25 04:04 PM
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Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 18,307 Elmore County
Frankie
Old Mossy Horns
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I’m afraid Trump is handing the midterms over to the democrats. Hopefully they get this tax bill passed and signed into law soon. I dont understand how you really see that . What he ran and was elected for Hes doing just what he said he was gonna do
Last edited by Frankie; 04/03/25 04:06 PM.
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Re: Tariffs hitting the markets
[Re: Frankie]
#4306922
04/03/25 04:07 PM
04/03/25 04:07 PM
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Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 15,619 Hoover
Fattyfireplug
Old Mossy Horns
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I’m afraid Trump is handing the midterms over to the democrats. Hopefully they get this tax bill passed and signed into law soon. I dont understand how you really see that . What he ran and was elected for Hes doing just what he said he was gonna do Those who will cut and run when the first shots are fired are showing themselves aren't they? Tolerance for pain for the greater good simply isn't there. It's one of our biggest weaknesses. Destroying ourselves from the inside. Lots of folks who talk a tough game. But when it really matters, they'll cut and run. It's on display today.
Character is not developed in moments of temptation and trial. That is when it is intended to be used.
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Re: Tariffs hitting the markets
[Re: Fattyfireplug]
#4306927
04/03/25 04:11 PM
04/03/25 04:11 PM
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Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 18,307 Elmore County
Frankie
Old Mossy Horns
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Old Mossy Horns
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Elmore County
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I’m afraid Trump is handing the midterms over to the democrats. Hopefully they get this tax bill passed and signed into law soon. I dont understand how you really see that . What he ran and was elected for Hes doing just what he said he was gonna do Those who will cut and run when the first shots are fired are showing themselves aren't they? Tolerance for pain for the greater good simply isn't there. It's one of our biggest weaknesses. Destroying ourselves from the inside. Lots of folks who talk a tough game. But when it really matters, they'll cut and run. It's on display today. Yeap .
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