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Re: Revisiting no tax on tips/overtime.
[Re: Irishguy]
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04/11/25 12:46 PM
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The government shouldn't subsidize anything or anyone. No subsidies and no tax breaks. Period.
The government should:
1. Provide for common infrastructure. Roads, bridges, free open public spaces. 2. Provide for common defense. Protect our national borders and sovereignty. 3. Provide for common law enforcement. Help us protect ourselves, our families, and our property.
That's pretty much all the government needs to do. Whatever that costs, then tax us all for it using a fair, across the board, flat tax, on everyone and every business.
The rest of it is a bunch of pandering, special interest, bullshit. This 100%. When I grew up there were poor folks. They looked it, lived like it, and that's who they were. Good people mostly, but didn't seem to want to do any better for themselves. After working for around 45 years when I retired my biggest surprise was how many people there were who didn't work. I was amazed how many young healthy looking people were wandering around all day. Realized the reason they could do it was because the .gov was sending them a check. Needs to stop. We moved up here on the mountain into our vacation home full time back in 2020. I had no idea how many people were on some sort of disability getting a government check every month. It's astonishing. Cherokee and DeKalb counties must be some of the highest ranked for government subsidies to individuals. Hell... I just Googled it and 33% of the whole state of Alabama is getting a disability check. 1,361,232 adults. Shit... I think that is how many have a disability; not receive disability benefits? "The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) estimates that 33% of adults in Alabama (18 years and older) have a disability. "
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Re: Revisiting no tax on tips/overtime.
[Re: Michael256]
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04/11/25 01:00 PM
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Wait staff doesn’t have to be paid minimum wage (because of tips) , what teacher or fireman does that apply to? You’re comparing two totally different pay systems. The service industry is grueling I can imagine. I have sympathy for them and I would certainly vote for it.
Everything woke turns to shit
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Re: Revisiting no tax on tips/overtime.
[Re: globe]
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04/11/25 01:14 PM
04/11/25 01:14 PM
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Wait staff doesn’t have to be paid minimum wage (because of tips) , what teacher or fireman does that apply to? You’re comparing two totally different pay systems. The service industry is grueling I can imagine. I have sympathy for them and I would certainly vote for it. You answered your own question. They don’t have to be paid minimum wage by their employer because they have another income stream for the same work. They make over minimum wage.
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Re: Revisiting no tax on tips/overtime.
[Re: globe]
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04/11/25 01:49 PM
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Wait staff doesn’t have to be paid minimum wage (because of tips) , what teacher or fireman does that apply to? You’re comparing two totally different pay systems. The service industry is grueling I can imagine. I have sympathy for them and I would certainly vote for it. I repeat; income is income, regardless of the source. So; a salesman on straight commission has no salary, how about no tax on commissions?? I mean; commissions are just tips from customers, Right? I would have loved that. It was all about votes
Last edited by wew3006; 04/11/25 02:51 PM.
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Re: Revisiting no tax on tips/overtime.
[Re: Michael256]
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04/11/25 07:15 PM
04/11/25 07:15 PM
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Many of you have said that people shouldn't get a tax break based on how they earn their income.
Should people be given a tax break based on how they spend their income?
Last edited by AU338MAG; 04/11/25 07:16 PM.
Dying ain't much of a living boy...Josey Wales
Molon Labe
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Re: Revisiting no tax on tips/overtime.
[Re: AU338MAG]
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04/11/25 09:17 PM
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Many of you have said that people shouldn't get a tax break based on how they earn their income.
Should people be given a tax break based on how they spend their income? Can you elaborate? Do you mean like rebates and stuff (ie buying a $7500 storm shelter but getting a $3000 tax credit back)?
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Re: Revisiting no tax on tips/overtime.
[Re: Michael256]
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04/11/25 09:36 PM
04/11/25 09:36 PM
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Many of you have said that people shouldn't get a tax break based on how they earn their income.
Should people be given a tax break based on how they spend their income? Can you elaborate? Do you mean like rebates and stuff (ie buying a $7500 storm shelter but getting a $3000 tax credit back)? It's easy to understand. Do you have a home mortgage? Do you take the mortgage interest deduction? That's not available to people who don't have a mortgage. Tax credits for things like a storm shelter or any of the BS green energy tax credits for certain home improvements are not availablefor those who don't own a home. Have children? You get a tax break. What about the folks without children? Have a car? You can deduct your ad valorem taxes if you itemize. What about folks without automobiles? And on and on and on... Point is, the federal government has used the tax code as a social engineering mechanism for as long as there have been income taxes.
Dying ain't much of a living boy...Josey Wales
Molon Labe
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Re: Revisiting no tax on tips/overtime.
[Re: AU338MAG]
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04/11/25 10:00 PM
04/11/25 10:00 PM
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Many of you have said that people shouldn't get a tax break based on how they earn their income.
Should people be given a tax break based on how they spend their income? Can you elaborate? Do you mean like rebates and stuff (ie buying a $7500 storm shelter but getting a $3000 tax credit back)? It's easy to understand. Do you have a home mortgage? Do you take the mortgage interest deduction? That's not available to people who don't have a mortgage. Tax credits for things like a storm shelter or any of the BS green energy tax credits for certain home improvements are not availablefor those who don't own a home. Have children? You get a tax break. What about the folks without children? Have a car? You can deduct your ad valorem taxes if you itemize. What about folks without automobiles? And on and on and on... Point is, the federal government has used the tax code as a social engineering mechanism for as long as there have been income taxes. Very good point. I like a flat tax
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Re: Revisiting no tax on tips/overtime.
[Re: Michael256]
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04/11/25 10:35 PM
04/11/25 10:35 PM
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Exactly Pwsye.
A flat tax not based on income or whatever social engineering the feds are doing depending on which administration occupies the White House v
And pay back the money you agreed to pay back.
Last edited by AU338MAG; 04/11/25 10:37 PM.
Dying ain't much of a living boy...Josey Wales
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Re: Revisiting no tax on tips/overtime.
[Re: AU338MAG]
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04/11/25 10:42 PM
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Exactly Pwsye.
A flat tax not based on income or whatever social engineering the feds are doing depending on which administration occupies the White House v
And pay back the money you agreed to pay back. Yep
“Buy the ticket, take the ride...And if it occasionally gets a little heavier than what you had in mind….well, maybe chalk it up to forced consciousness expansion…..Tune in, freak out, get beaten”....Hunter S. Thompson
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Re: Revisiting no tax on tips/overtime.
[Re: CNC]
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04/12/25 07:52 PM
04/12/25 07:52 PM
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Backwoods, I was being facetious about you being on welfare ya goob. But you are an idiot for complaining about paying too much in taxes while you pay more than you have to. Thats just not good business and not very smart.
Do you also complain about the price of gas while paying $2 over the price at the pump??
You shouldn’t say all the backwards stuff you say and then run around calling other people jackasses. You always seem to paint yourself into a corner with your mouth.
You post on every government thread complaining about taxes and then admit that you pay more than you have too. And when I suggest you stop whining as do something about it (like get a farm number would be a good place to start) you tell me I don’t understand taxes? Yep X2
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Re: Revisiting no tax on tips/overtime.
[Re: Pwyse]
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04/12/25 08:25 PM
04/12/25 08:25 PM
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Many of you have said that people shouldn't get a tax break based on how they earn their income.
Should people be given a tax break based on how they spend their income? Can you elaborate? Do you mean like rebates and stuff (ie buying a $7500 storm shelter but getting a $3000 tax credit back)? It's easy to understand. Do you have a home mortgage? Do you take the mortgage interest deduction? That's not available to people who don't have a mortgage. Tax credits for things like a storm shelter or any of the BS green energy tax credits for certain home improvements are not availablefor those who don't own a home. Have children? You get a tax break. What about the folks without children? Have a car? You can deduct your ad valorem taxes if you itemize. What about folks without automobiles? And on and on and on... Point is, the federal government has used the tax code as a social engineering mechanism for as long as there have been income taxes. Very good point. I like a flat tax Yep, either that or a universal sales tax in lieu of any other tax. Spend more, you pay more.
Lord, please help us get our nation straightened out.
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Re: Revisiting no tax on tips/overtime.
[Re: Pwyse]
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04/12/25 11:26 PM
04/12/25 11:26 PM
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Jawbone, so you are saying a city, county, state, and federal sales tax?
I guess if you are a contractor you would never pay a tax on any materials you buy, due to passing it onto the consumer. So the business would never pay taxes? Consumers would have to pay all the taxes for the businesses that they are buying from? Wouldn’t that push prices extremely extremely high? Federal. No income tax, no estate taxes, etc. What states and municipalities do is their business. Or, a flat tax. Either one is better than the crap we have now.
Lord, please help us get our nation straightened out.
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Re: Revisiting no tax on tips/overtime.
[Re: Pwyse]
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04/13/25 12:40 AM
04/13/25 12:40 AM
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Jawbone, so you are saying a city, county, state, and federal sales tax?
I guess if you are a contractor you would never pay a tax on any materials you buy, due to passing it onto the consumer. So the business would never pay taxes? Consumers would have to pay all the taxes for the businesses that they are buying from? Wouldn’t that push prices extremely extremely high? Taxes on materials are just a cost that businesses pass on to the end user.
Dying ain't much of a living boy...Josey Wales
Molon Labe
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Re: Revisiting no tax on tips/overtime.
[Re: Pwyse]
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04/13/25 05:08 AM
04/13/25 05:08 AM
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Jawbone, so you are saying a city, county, state, and federal sales tax?
I guess if you are a contractor you would never pay a tax on any materials you buy, due to passing it onto the consumer. So the business would never pay taxes? Consumers would have to pay all the taxes for the businesses that they are buying from? Wouldn’t that push prices extremely extremely high? If you think about, the consumer is paying the taxes now as well. Businesses pay income taxes with part of the income they receive. Where does that income come from? Consumers.
The true mark of a man is not how he conducts himself during times of prosperity, but how he conducts himself during times of adversity.
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Re: Revisiting no tax on tips/overtime.
[Re: Michael256]
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04/13/25 07:02 AM
04/13/25 07:02 AM
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Flat tax. No tax on SS. No tax on gambling winnings either Businesses………I don’t know. A little more complicated with depreciation and all that stuff
Last edited by jmj120; 04/13/25 07:03 AM.
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Re: Revisiting no tax on tips/overtime.
[Re: AU338MAG]
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04/13/25 09:31 AM
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Jawbone, so you are saying a city, county, state, and federal sales tax?
I guess if you are a contractor you would never pay a tax on any materials you buy, due to passing it onto the consumer. So the business would never pay taxes? Consumers would have to pay all the taxes for the businesses that they are buying from? Wouldn’t that push prices extremely extremely high? Taxes on materials are just a cost that businesses pass on to the end user. Exactly. So contractors would pay no federal income tax
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