Well I will cling to my guns and my religion and if the rest of America would do the same like the ones in this country have that came before us all would be well.
Duty, Honor, Country
Robert E. Lee
Re: The Truth about Sandy hook
[Re: doekiller]
#499054 01/11/1302:57 PM01/11/1302:57 PM
, but to think our government had something to do with mass killings is a little overboard in my opinion
Tell that to the people in Waco and Ruby Ridge.
Not sure what you mean by no consequence - it's this event that is being championed as the reason to abridge our 2nd Amendment right. Even if all the speculation behind the inconsistencies are false, that's a massive consequence.
Is there proof that Newtown was not what it is portrayed to be, and that the government somehow obliged it? No.
Do I think it is possible that there is more to the story than they are telling us? Definitely.
I find it odd that so many people hold our federal government in higher regards than other governments around the world and throughout history. Our government [/i]has[i] had its hand in mass killings of innocent people - Waco, Ruby Ridge, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Mexico. Fast and Furious guns have killed two Americans and hundreds of Mexicans, including women and children. Was it the government's intention? Probably not, but the fact is they have blood on their hands.
Re: The Truth about Sandy hook
[Re: bill]
#499059 01/11/1303:04 PM01/11/1303:04 PM
, but to think our government had something to do with mass killings is a little overboard in my opinion
Tell that to the people in Waco and Ruby Ridge.
Not sure what you mean by no consequence - it's this event that is being championed as the reason to abridge our 2nd Amendment right. Even if all the speculation behind the inconsistencies are false, that's a massive consequence.
Is there proof that Newtown was not what it is portrayed to be, and that the government somehow obliged it? No.
Do I think it is possible that there is more to the story than they are telling us? Definitely.
I find it odd that so many people hold our federal government in higher regards than other governments around the world and throughout history. Our government [/i]has[i] had its hand in mass killings of innocent people - Waco, Ruby Ridge, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Mexico. Fast and Furious guns have killed two Americans and hundreds of Mexicans, including women and children. Was it the government's intention? Probably not, but the fact is they have blood on their hands.
I mean nobody is holding the news stations responsible for poor reporting? I think your conspiracy theorism is out of touch....there was no hidden meaning in what I said.
"I'm going to kill one million! 6 legally with a shotgun, and the rest with this icey stare." - Si Robertson
Re: The Truth about Sandy hook
[Re: jsh1904]
#499067 01/11/1303:09 PM01/11/1303:09 PM
I put as much belief in that youtube video as I do in the actual news reports that came the day of the shooting.
The first 8 minutes of that video was laughable....now all the stuff about the 2nd guy, the car, etc. was pretty interesting. Too bad we will never know exactly what all happened and how it ties together.
"I'm going to kill one million! 6 legally with a shotgun, and the rest with this icey stare." - Si Robertson
Re: The Truth about Sandy hook
[Re: jchan]
#499069 01/11/1303:13 PM01/11/1303:13 PM
, but to think our government had something to do with mass killings is a little overboard in my opinion
Tell that to the people in Waco and Ruby Ridge.
come on man, those arent even in the same realm..
I was responding to the specific statement I quoted. I don't think our government is behind the Sandy Hook shooting. But, they have been involved in mass killings of Americans in the past, children included.
Re: The Truth about Sandy hook
[Re: bill]
#499161 01/11/1304:41 PM01/11/1304:41 PM
I have not stated any conspiracy theories, the video originally posted doesn't state one either. A conspiracy labels a hidden perpetrator with ulterior motives. I have not said that I think the government is behind the incident, you may have inferred that, but I haven't said that - all I am saying is that there are very fishy questions about Newtown that have not been sufficiently investigated.
I just want to clarify that I'm not trying to argue with you. What are your thoughts on the situation? i.e. the gun in the trunk, the medical examiner's report that all wounds were caused by the "long gun" (shotgun? rifle?), the car registered to the Rodia character, the man fleeing into the woods, two pistols->two pistols and an AR-15->four pistols, no long gun recovered at the scene... etc
Re: The Truth about Sandy hook
[Re: pyrOpossum]
#499199 01/11/1305:05 PM01/11/1305:05 PM
I have not stated any conspiracy theories, the video originally posted doesn't state one either. A conspiracy labels a hidden perpetrator with ulterior motives. I have not said that I think the government is behind the incident, you may have inferred that, but I haven't said that - all I am saying is that there are very fishy questions about Newtown that have not been sufficiently investigated.
I just want to clarify that I'm not trying to argue with you. What are your thoughts on the situation? i.e. the gun in the trunk, the medical examiner's report that all wounds were caused by the "long gun" (shotgun? rifle?), the car registered to the Rodia character, the man fleeing into the woods, two pistols->two pistols and an AR-15->four pistols, no long gun recovered at the scene... etc
Oh man....I didn't take it is arguing....not a problem at all. I guess I thought you were inferring the gov'y may have been involved.
As far as the gun in trunk....just poor reporting....it was a shotgun, AR was used inside Rodia character....this is the first I have heard of him, but that is fishy, especially since he lawyered up (supposedly) man in woods....could have been an innocent person in a panic....could be more.... gun confusion....another instance of poor reporting
All in all...we are being shut out, as the public, from many things that we want to know. Now do we deserve to know, that's debatable, but I say yes.
"I'm going to kill one million! 6 legally with a shotgun, and the rest with this icey stare." - Si Robertson
Re: The Truth about Sandy hook
[Re: bill]
#499205 01/11/1305:08 PM01/11/1305:08 PM
The most disturbing video clip I saw was of the young girls father laughing and smiling as he walked to the podium to have a press conference about his daughters death less than 24 hours before. Maybe there has been an explanation given or it was taken out of context but it seemed very peculiar behavior to me.
"I'm not near as critical about how big they are as I once was. Smiles are more important now! We will grow more deer." Jimmy G.
Re: The Truth about Sandy hook
[Re: bill]
#499235 01/11/1305:32 PM01/11/1305:32 PM
Skullworks - seeing that "father" smiling made me sick to my stomach. Something ain't right with that, for sure.
Jchan - Good deal, didn't mean to get too defensive there it's just hard to tell how people mean what they say when you're just reading text.
Gun in trunk: Agreed, most definitely a semi-auto shotgun. Poor reporting, absolutely. I still have trouble understanding how a person carrying an AR-15 got buzzed into the school. One of the moms interviewed said that to get into the school, you have to ring a doorbell and the office has to see you before they let you in. Do I know that to be true about the school, of course not, but it's a question.
Rodia - today was the first I had heard about him as well. Absolutely bizarre.
Man in woods - sure, could have been an innocent. Way I see it, if I were unarmed and in a building with an active shooter, I can't see myself running from cops.
Gun confusion - no doubt there's poor reporting involved, dang near everything in mainstream media is poor reporting. I still ask, why the wide discrepancies? Who's the source of the information that keeps changing? I understand the media can't get their facts straight, I don't expect them to, but it seems like all the networks are getting it from the same source, so why does the source keep changing up the guns? Just my thoughts
Re: The Truth about Sandy hook
[Re: bill]
#499239 01/11/1305:42 PM01/11/1305:42 PM
Muzzie, you are jumping to conclusions that are way off base. I never said the shooting was faked or that it didn't happen. I knew the day after the shooting when they started back tracking on the second gunmen and they started changing a lot of details that something wasn't right. That doesn't mean I'm convinced our government concocted or facilitated the whole thing but I absolutely would not be surprised to find they played a roll. At the least I think they have changed details and manipulated the story to further their a
The government loves sheep who never question anything and who they can manipulate by pushing the emotional buttons of the public. Like I said, 50% of the public won't believe any thing unless they see one of the alphabet news organizations report it. Even with the piss poor track record those hacks have. George Zimmerman, Benghazi, Fast and Furious? Yeah, let's trust those guys.
I can't stand to watch conspiracy nuts like Alex Jones but he is probably closer to the truth than the idiot sheep who think our government is really working for our best interest and wouldn't ever do anything to harm us.
" I do view Jim Waltz as a really good Presidential candidate" Bama_Earl
Re: The Truth about Sandy hook
[Re: pyrOpossum]
#499255 01/11/1306:04 PM01/11/1306:04 PM
Skullworks - seeing that "father" smiling made me sick to my stomach. Something ain't right with that, for sure.
Jchan - Good deal, didn't mean to get too defensive there it's just hard to tell how people mean what they say when you're just reading text.
Gun in trunk: Agreed, most definitely a semi-auto shotgun. Poor reporting, absolutely. I still have trouble understanding how a person carrying an AR-15 got buzzed into the school. One of the moms interviewed said that to get into the school, you have to ring a doorbell and the office has to see you before they let you in. Do I know that to be true about the school, of course not, but it's a question.
Rodia - today was the first I had heard about him as well. Absolutely bizarre.
Man in woods - sure, could have been an innocent. Way I see it, if I were unarmed and in a building with an active shooter, I can't see myself running from cops.
Gun confusion - no doubt there's poor reporting involved, dang near everything in mainstream media is poor reporting. I still ask, why the wide discrepancies? Who's the source of the information that keeps changing? I understand the media can't get their facts straight, I don't expect them to, but it seems like all the networks are getting it from the same source, so why does the source keep changing up the guns? Just my thoughts
I thought he shot the front glass out. Was he buzzed in?
Re: The Truth about Sandy hook
[Re: bill]
#499279 01/11/1306:35 PM01/11/1306:35 PM
Yeah, nothing strange going on. The sheep mentality is the same one responsible for saying " I'm for the second amendment but no one needs an Assault rifle. We have got to have more gun control" Never mind that the number of violent crimes go up everywhere stricter gun control measures have been tried. The truth doesn't matter to the sheep, it is all about emotion and feelings.
" I do view Jim Waltz as a really good Presidential candidate" Bama_Earl
Re: The Truth about Sandy hook
[Re: bill]
#499338 01/11/1307:36 PM01/11/1307:36 PM
Just because one (supposed) parent recalls that visitors are buzzed in does not mean that is always the case. Lots of variables and different possible scenarios.
How do we know that the primary shooter drove the car they are claiming? Could it be possible that the child molester happened to have a weapon in his trunk but was actually snooping around the school at a really bad moment? Who knows?
I don't buy the Isreal claim. I'm not sure about the second shooter.
I need to know more about the ballistic evidence. I need to know if parents identified their children in person. I need to know who the supposed actor parent really is and if he has kids and if his child went to the school. Given the compentency of these youtube conspiracy movie makers, why can't they pull an Aldeer investigation and find out more about the laughing parent?
I don't expect children to provide credible evidence about something like this. Many adults would not be able to do so either. As such, their incongruent testimony doesn't really support a conspiracy now does it?
The story has holes in it, but so does the evidence of a conspiracy.
Been here long enough to go from "bring 'da pain" to " bring 'da pain meds.
Re: The Truth about Sandy hook
[Re: bill]
#499372 01/11/1308:14 PM01/11/1308:14 PM
JDR, that is precisely why I posted it. The incident needs vetting that the media isn't doing. I saw several problems with the video but I see several more with the media narrative since the shooting.
" I do view Jim Waltz as a really good Presidential candidate" Bama_Earl
Re: The Truth about Sandy hook
[Re: Skullworks]
#499375 01/11/1308:17 PM01/11/1308:17 PM
The most disturbing video clip I saw was of the young girls father laughing and smiling as he walked to the podium to have a press conference about his daughters death less than 24 hours before. Maybe there has been an explanation given or it was taken out of context but it seemed very peculiar behavior to me.
Didn't we establish that he was a hired actor.....and oh boy did i just find something else.....post coming....
"I'm going to kill one million! 6 legally with a shotgun, and the rest with this icey stare." - Si Robertson
Re: The Truth about Sandy hook
[Re: bill]
#499380 01/11/1308:22 PM01/11/1308:22 PM