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Re: I gotta ask!!!! [Re: Hogwild] #504686
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Originally Posted By: Hogwild
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Hogwild, My personal experience is this. I was in a club in Shelby county and we had a club to our east that dog hunted. There was a creek that seperated the two clubs. During the week the dog hunters were seen coming onto our club through a power line and letting their dogs loose on our side of the creek.


Again, I gotta ask.....

WHY on Earth was the GW not called and the people charged with Trespassing or Hunting Without a Permit IF they were actually seen across the property line?


The game warden was called numerous times and I do not know why a ticket was never written.



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Re: Big stink in Coffeeville over dog killing....... [Re: deadeye] #504687
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The pro dog hunting posters are doing a piss poor job of defending dog hunting. "Don't lease land near dog hunters". REALLY. Dude, you gotta come up with something better than that.

Dog Hunting will be gone soon. Just doesn't work with most land being leased by still hunters

Re: Big stink in Coffeeville over dog killing....... [Re: deadeye] #504688
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How do you the tension was not over the Stalk Hunters hunting over corn, or Night Hunting, or Trespassing??

Also, why is that an excuse to break the Law???

Re: Big stink in Coffeeville over dog killing....... [Re: skidboot77] #504689
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Originally Posted By: skidboot77
The pro dog hunting posters are doing a piss poor job of defending dog hunting. "Don't lease land near dog hunters". REALLY. Dude, you gotta come up with something better than that.

Dog Hunting will be gone soon. Just doesn't work with most land being leased by still hunters


Absolutely right ^^^^^^

I like dog hunting and can't believe the arguments from the dog advocates. It'll be gone before long, and that's a shame. As someone else said, they are their own worst enemy.

Re: Big stink in Coffeeville over dog killing....... [Re: skidboot77] #504691
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Why is not just common sense to not lease land that is surrounded by dog hunting clubs if you do not want to hear dogs run?

Re: Big stink in Coffeeville over dog killing....... [Re: Hogwild] #504692
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Originally Posted By: Hogwild
I disagree with that.

There were only a few people on the property. The dogs exact GPS tracks, along with times, is stored on an SD card. It would be pretty easy to narrow down the possibilities.....and, in EVERY experience I have ever had; very little questioning to get one person to tell on another to avoid prosecution!


May be your experience. I have investigated several dog shootings/ poisionings.The dogs were where they shouldn't have been in all cases except one and there was no suspects on that one. If anything a GPS will prove the dogs were also where they weren't supposed to be. Some folks know how the rules work and have no problem making a one sentence statement or just flat out ask for a lawyer. That's their right.

Re: Big stink in Coffeeville over dog killing....... [Re: Hogwild] #504694
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Originally Posted By: Hogwild
How do you the tension was not over the Stalk Hunters hunting over corn, or Night Hunting, or Trespassing??

Also, why is that an excuse to break the Law???



Let's just call it an educated guess.

I don't condone shooting the dogs. But, I certainly understand it.

Re: I gotta ask!!!! [Re: Hogwild] #504696
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Again, educate yourself.....

1) You have the Right to issue a warrant yourself.

2) You have the Right to issue a complaint against the GW for not responding.

But, I do realize that it is a whole lot easier to complain on the internet than it is to actually DO anything!

Re: Big stink in Coffeeville over dog killing....... [Re: deadeye] #504697
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Not saying that shooting them is the "right" thing to do, but it gets frustrating for sure. I drive 7hrs each way to hunt in bama, so having a hunt tainted by dogs runnin around is very annoying.we (as a club) are supposed to bring the dogs in and call the owners and have them come retrieve the dogs. Prob happens 5 times a season, and in most cases, the owners dont come get them for multiple days, and are usually local guys that still continue to let the dogs out on the property line even after repeatedly asking the, to be more responsible with their dogs. I personally think for every responsible dog hunter, theres 10 that arent... just my 2 cents

Re: Big stink in Coffeeville over dog killing....... [Re: Hogwild] #504699
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Originally Posted By: Hogwild
Why is not just common sense to not lease land that is surrounded by dog hunting clubs if you do not want to hear dogs run?


Common sense tells me to keep my ass off land I don't have permission to be on and common sense should tell a man to keep his dogs off land they don't have permission to run on. That's what I get via common sense on this topic.


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Re: Big stink in Coffeeville over dog killing....... [Re: Reyn] #504700
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Originally Posted By: Reyn
Originally Posted By: Hogwild
I disagree with that.

There were only a few people on the property. The dogs exact GPS tracks, along with times, is stored on an SD card. It would be pretty easy to narrow down the possibilities.....and, in EVERY experience I have ever had; very little questioning to get one person to tell on another to avoid prosecution!


May be your experience. I have investigated several dog shootings/ poisionings.The dogs were where they shouldn't have been in all cases except one and there was no suspects on that one. If anything a GPS will prove the dogs were also where they weren't supposed to be. Some folks know how the rules work and have no problem making a one sentence statement or just flat out ask for a lawyer. That's their right.



Once again, there are no Laws in the area saying the dogs 'had no right' to be there.

It may not be the ideal scenario....BUT, it is NOT illegal!

Re: I gotta ask!!!! [Re: Hogwild] #504703
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Best deer drive I ever saw was 10 deputies with 3 tracking dogs and a helicopter come across our place we hunted in Bullock County. laugh


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Re: Big stink in Coffeeville over dog killing....... [Re: deadeye] #504705
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Once again, piss poor job. Your rights end where mine begin. I have the right not to be affected on my land by the way you decide to hunt.

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Piss-Poor Defense for ILLEGAL activity.....shooting dogs.

Re: I gotta ask!!!! [Re: Hogwild] #504711
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Originally Posted By: Hogwild
OK, so you are saying that the dogs actually have the ability to herd the deer where they want them to go AND they know to head them back to waiting hunters.


Has anyone suggested anything even close to this. No one is blaming the dogs. It's the owners that are responsible. I'm no rocket scientist, but I know if I turn my dogs loose on my 320 acre lease, they won't stay on it. That's not a maybe. That's a for sure. I don't give a rats butt if it's legal or not. It's immoral and unethical and it will be the demise of dog hunting in this state.

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Danny, you're not helping the dog hunters.


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I am gonna let y'all have it for a while......

I just read where a poor guy's hunt was ruined by his neighbor riding his ragged out 4-wheeler down his own driveway!

I am looking into Legislation to prevent such atrocities!!!

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Originally Posted By: Hogwild
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Originally Posted By: Hogwild
I disagree with that.

There were only a few people on the property. The dogs exact GPS tracks, along with times, is stored on an SD card. It would be pretty easy to narrow down the possibilities.....and, in EVERY experience I have ever had; very little questioning to get one person to tell on another to avoid prosecution!


May be your experience. I have investigated several dog shootings/ poisionings.The dogs were where they shouldn't have been in all cases except one and there was no suspects on that one. If anything a GPS will prove the dogs were also where they weren't supposed to be. Some folks know how the rules work and have no problem making a one sentence statement or just flat out ask for a lawyer. That's their right.



Once again, there are no Laws in the area saying the dogs 'had no right' to be there.

It may not be the ideal scenario....BUT, it is NOT illegal!


It may not be illegal, that doesn't change the scenario as far as if the shooting was justified. At this point one has to go by the only witnesses to the shooting which happen to be the shooter(s).

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Originally Posted By: longspur69
Originally Posted By: Hogwild
OK, so you are saying that the dogs actually have the ability to herd the deer where they want them to go AND they know to head them back to waiting hunters.


Has anyone suggested anything even close to this. No one is blaming the dogs. It's the owners that are responsible. I'm no rocket scientist, but I know if I turn my dogs loose on my 320 acre lease, they won't stay on it. That's not a maybe. That's a for sure. I don't give a rats butt if it's legal or not. It's immoral and unethical and it will be the demise of dog hunting in this state.


Actually, yes, it has been posted numerous times!

And, believe it or not, we agree on the 2nd part. That is why I don't do it anymore.

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