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Re: I gotta ask!!!! [Re: Fattyfireplug] #505239
01/17/13 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted By: Fattyfireplug
I have had talks with multiple dog owners who let their dogs run free. I have yet to have even one show any concern or vow to stop the problem.

I ALWAYS let them know it's not safe for a dog to be running loose. And I leave it at that.

If it comes to me I'll take it to the pound, FAR away from their home. If it doesn't...well SSS happens...


Couldn't have said it better myself.

Re: Big stink in Coffeeville over dog killing....... [Re: Lil'D] #505280
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Originally Posted By: Lil'D
This thread is absolutely ridiculous and full of assumption!
Is there anyone on aldeer that can verify the dog owners had been warned or nicely asked to keep their dogs away from the property??? NO!
Is there anyone on aldeer who can prove the dogs weren't released a mile away from the still hunters lease??? NO!!!
It's sad that it assumed by the majority on here that these guys turned their dogs out to run across someone's property and ruin their hunt, don't get me wrong I completely agree that the redneck outlaw throw some mutts in the truck bed and send them that way hunters are out there, but why would a guy invest near 1k on GPS tracking system for his deer dogs if he isn't a serious hunter? Everyone knows the chances of dogs getting shot during hunting season hell if I had caught a dog and talked to the owner and it become a reoccurring event I would more than likely kill the dog not for being on my land because the dog doesn't know better but to prove a point to a negligent dog owner be it a house or hunting dog and inform the owner but I also wouldn't lease a small tract of land and be asinine enough to think that if the land bordering me is dog hunted that the people who hunted the land and have hunted it would have some magical way to make the deer not run through my lease and people saying they're turning them out on our property line well I would want them to that'd increase the chance of them not running on to you, the people being accused of this could be trying to keep the dogs off of you by turning them loose at the line and sending them the opposite direction! Who's to say the deer aren't circling around??? The GPS tracker would and it sounded to me has if the guy was trying to get to his dogs to prevent them from crossing the line I guess they were just 400yds to late! I for one also don't understand how dog hunting is the cheap & lazy way out. A quality pup could cost up to a thousand dollars for a registered dog which I assure you some legitimate hunters run, high protein feed for hunting dogs is $30-40 a sack and multiple dogs means multiple sacks a week plus many other cost that goes along with taking care of a animal. You also have to feed these animals daily along with watering and kennel upkeep, doesn't seem to cheap to me! I hardly ever post on this site but I do enjoy monitoring it because there is normally some interesting topics that don't get blown out of porportion like this one has. I really hope some of you re-read the thread and realize how ridiculous and narrow minded some of these post (maybe even your own) are. None of us here know how many acres the dog hunters had or where they released the dogs or what direction they sent them in. Also none of us know if they hadn't been warned and that they didn't purposely send the dogs that way. Also those who don't agree with leasing land away from known dog hunting areas if you don't want to deal with it, would you rent or buy a house near a airport if you didn't want to have a lot of noise and then bitch everytime a plane takes off or lands or if you didn't want anyone on your property would you buy/rent a home near a sports complex and bitch because someone walked through your ditch to get to their vehicle after a game??? Still hunters leasing land next to dog hunters & dog hunters leasing land next to still hunters is like jumping in a barrel of rattlesnakes and getting surprised you got bit. I care neither way how any of you feel about the topic but I do feel that both groups should have equal rights and outlawing dog hunters should be punished. I also believe that communicating and trying to be gentleman like to the neighboring landowner/leasie would go a long ways. It wouldn't be hard at all to introduce yourself and exchange numbers 99% of people I know that fool with deer dogs would gladly work with you on not running while your hunting and realistically unless you have just thousands of acres there's no guarantee the dogs won't cross a property line I'm sure most would even invite you has to where a extra stander never hurts but maybe some choose to stereotype ( on both groups sides) and have no intrest in being civil or logical about it.



Whats ridiculous is your post. I can tell you the names of everyone of the dog hunters who turn their dogs loose to run all over the country.There have been numerous conversations between us about their dogs and they could care less.And there names have been given to the GW with nothing being done about it.

I can tell you the exact point and acreage using a plot map that they released them on.

And I dont lease.I own the land and the dogs hunters moved in on me.Because they know from years past the kind of bucks I have killed on my property because I put the time and money into my land to hold them there.And the dog hunters do their best to run them off of my land onto land they hunt.You are just a dog hunter who is trying to justify the wrong doings of dog hunters.

Re: Big stink in Coffeeville over dog killing....... [Re: Dquailhunter] #505283
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[quote=DquailhunterYou are just a dog hunter who is trying to justify the wrong doings of dog hunters. [/quote]

Actually, just another incorrect assumption!

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Re: Big stink in Coffeeville over dog killing....... [Re: deadeye] #505289
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Standing up for outlaws is not helping your cause...

You defend their type of hunting without condemning their actions. You say that the people who experience their illegal actions are wrong or lying. You ask outlandish questions, wanting to know if people who have had issues with outlaw dog hunters really believe illogical things.

You are your own worst enemy. Congratulations.

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Re: Big stink in Coffeeville over dog killing....... [Re: Lil'D] #505291
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your argument basically says you dont care about the property rights of others...but are just thinking about yourself. Not a valid argument...and more of the type of thinking that ends up in dogs being shot. If you cant keep the dogs on property you have permission to hunt, then dont be a whiner when people SHOOT them for ruining their hunt!

Re: Big stink in Coffeeville over dog killing....... [Re: Hogwild] #505301
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Originally Posted By: Hogwild
[quote=DquailhunterYou are just a dog hunter who is trying to justify the wrong doings of dog hunters.


Actually, just another incorrect assumption! [/quote]

I can sit here all day long and say the sky isnt blue to, but we all know it is.Just like you can sit here and say im not a dog hunter.Which is BS.Because anybody who defends a sport that is so disrespectful and causes more problems during the hunting season than anything else.Has no reason to defend it accept for the fact that they are one of the ones doing it.

Re: Big stink in Coffeeville over dog killing....... [Re: deadeye] #505316
01/17/13 09:22 AM
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I was an outfitter in South Carolina. Great management practices and grew really big bucks. Had their best river system for miles..that was known for great deer. We were spending over $30,000 a year for our land and lodge.
Customers paid us high dollar to come hunt big bucks...especially in the first 2 weeks if the season for our VELVET bucks. We operated for years with no problem. After a while apiece of property next to us went up for sale. A few thousand acres. Next thing we know a dog club buys 100 acres...just a thin strip from the road all the way to the river. They built a club house...some kennels..and started numbering trees along our border on a road they put in.
I was worried about them dumping dogs on us so we met the owner...who guaranteed us they wouldnt run dogs on us.

Opening day..they unloaded them and IMMEDIATELY dumped them on us!

Ruined our whole business. Customers would be BS and demand refunds, our deer sightings and harvest went WAY down. When you practice LOW IMPACT LOW PRESSURE hunting...dogs running thru every day is not good. And if you think dogs dont disturb deer..well thats your OPINION!

But I KNOW they do, especially in low impact hunting. We SAW the results first hand.
And its the dont give a darn attitude about others that makes me sick.

Re: Big stink in Coffeeville over dog killing....... [Re: bamachem] #505339
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Originally Posted By: bamachem
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Originally Posted By: 3toe
There's more to that story, I guarantee you.


I can guarantee you are right.

I also guarantee, this thread will hit 100 posts grin


I see your hundred and raise it by another hundred!



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Re: Big stink in Coffeeville over dog killing....... [Re: deadeye] #505378
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I've always found it odd that the dog hunters I know (I once was one too) brag about "bloodying up a big buck" but never find it or think they didn't kill it because it was so far away but they just had to try.

Re: Big stink in Coffeeville over dog killing....... [Re: Hogwild] #505381
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Originally Posted By: Hogwild
Originally Posted By: longspur69
Originally Posted By: Hogwild
That shows how little you understand about dog deer hunting.

If dog deer hunting ruins the hunting, why do people want to lease land that adjoins dog deer clubs??? Or, even try to lease the land away form the dog deer club!


I understand plenty about dog deer hunting - I have experience on both sides. Are you suggesting that people who hate having dogs ruin their still hunts, purposefully lease land next to dog clubs to increase their chances of killing deer? WOW!!!


Far from it.....

As I already posted (I guess you missed it in your hurry to voice your opinion), IF a hunter cannot tolerate hearing dogs run while he hunts.....he should not lease land, or join a hunting club that adjoins clubs or private land that runs dogs and has for years!


Because you are supposed to contain your activities to your property and not let it leach over to the next one. Would your neighbor not get tired of you parking your car in their garage? Reasonable people DO NOT ASSUME that useing/encroaching on to others property is acceptable. So far the only people I have met that think this should be OK....are Dog hunters

Re: Big stink in Coffeeville over dog killing....... [Re: deadeye] #505384
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Who has said it was OK???
I know for a fact that I have not!

But, I see most of you condoning the illegal action of the Hunters taht shot the dogs.

Re: Big stink in Coffeeville over dog killing....... [Re: deadeye] #505388
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You stated that no one should lease property next to a club that runs dogs and not expect to be bothered by them!

Re: Big stink in Coffeeville over dog killing....... [Re: Hogwild] #505389
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Originally Posted By: Hogwild
But, I see most of you condoning the illegal action of the Hunters taht shot the dogs.


I'll let you answer yourself this time...

Originally Posted By: Hogwild
Actually, just another incorrect assumption!


You don't know the circumstances regarding the dogs or the people who shot them. You are making an assumption. The Sheriff Deputy that responded felt that there was not enough evidence to charge anyone so he had to let them go. THEREFORE THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE SHOWING THAT THE HUNTERS COMMITTED AN ILLEGAL ACT.

Why would you want to make an assumption about a situation that you've only read about on the internet, and a one-sided one at that?

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Re: Big stink in Coffeeville over dog killing....... [Re: deadeye] #505390
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Be responsible for your actions first and no body shoots the dogs!

Re: Big stink in Coffeeville over dog killing....... [Re: deadeye] #505391
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I've got $100 that bets this was not the first or even the second time this happened before they took the action they did!

Re: Big stink in Coffeeville over dog killing....... [Re: Hogwild] #505432
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Originally Posted By: Hogwild
They just came out a couple of months ago. Garmin Alpha.

They are expensive and most places have them on back-order.

Hard to believe that a bunch of drunk, inconsiderate, slob, outlaw hunters would pay $1000 for the system and 1 collar + roughly $300 apiece for additional collars, huh???

BUT, they are being sold as fast as they are being made!


Responsible bird dog hunters love 'em

Re: Big stink in Coffeeville over dog killing....... [Re: bloodtrail] #505444
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Do deer running dog usually have shock collars?


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Re: Big stink in Coffeeville over dog killing....... [Re: deadeye] #505446
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This guys in England has a problem with dogs. Sausage nails. http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/new...long-nails.html


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Re: Big stink in Coffeeville....... [Re: deadeye] #505463
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Have also dealt with people dropping dogs off in front of club gates. Personally caught dogs called owner, gave back dogs. I asked please don't run them thru our property. Won't happen again. Next sat watched same white Toyota pull up on gate and drop dogs. Dogs do what they do. If the owner doesn't care, I'm going to return the favor. I don't care how u hunt, but I don't want to be forced into it. Should always try and solve problem politely, sometimes you can't.

Re: Big stink in Coffeeville over dog killing....... [Re: deadeye] #505469
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I tell you what I like to do... I like to try and catch the dog, feed it, and then call the owner. I wait until they are pulling up and then i blast those mangy muts right in front of the dumbass in bred hunters and giggle as i watch their face go into shock! It is hysterical!! They have that same look that they get when their mom walks in on em with their sister! They cant really do anything about it cause i'm retired special forces and everyone around here know what i'm capable of. Guess what? My dog problem has been solved!!

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