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Re: Suppose you killed a deer today:
[Re: 49er]
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05/31/13 02:28 PM
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they have an app for that, worked for me during turkey season
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Re: Suppose you killed a deer today:
[Re: Jack Fate]
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05/31/13 03:26 PM
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All a Game Warden would have to do it go by the processor and get a list of who all dropped deer off. Then he can check to see if each one had been checked in with-in the 24 hr period.
Wouldn't he need some kind of warrant or court order? If I were a processor I wouldn't be giving a list to them voluntarily. Then again I still believe in the 4th amendment. Most processors around here it is easy to just walk in look at the deer hanging up. To be effective as a limit enforcement tool, seems like it would have to stay with both the deer at a processor and the hunter. Like the saying goes - the devil is in the details. What is the endgame for all of the data collection besides just collecting data? Anybody know?
"Any way you look at it, most of the problems facing baboons can be expressed in two words: other baboons" - D.L. Cheney and R.M. Seyfarth
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Re: Suppose you killed a deer today:
[Re: wmd]
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05/31/13 03:52 PM
05/31/13 03:52 PM
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What is the endgame for all of the data collection besides just collecting data? Anybody know? You'll never give liberals enough government. There is no end. This will only lead to another rule ... then another ... and then another. They have an insatiable appetite for nanny-state government. ... and you can't blame it on the democraps ... these are all republican appointees. Governor Bentley owns this crap whether he knows what's happening or not. It's all his baby now... just like the new gun conrol bill he signed.
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Re: Suppose you killed a deer today:
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05/31/13 04:41 PM
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Better yet, I'll describe a cow, something like "yeah, I'm new at this and this big 750 pound spike came out mowing and swashing his tail. I shot him six times..This could be fun. This is a good one. Tell them its the biggest bodied spike I've ever seen but has female characteristics other than the "antlers"
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Re: Suppose you killed a deer yesterday:
[Re: 49er]
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06/01/13 01:15 AM
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Amazing!!
How in the world did we ever go from a few thousand deer to just under 2 million deer without a reporting/tagging/whatever system to make the qdm liberals happy??
How in the world did we get along with out it for so long?
It's a wonder we've got any deer at all!!!
They couldn't get along without it in Ohio or [fill in the blank for wherever else somebody's from], so we really need to do it that way here. The reason we went from a couple thousand deer to today's numbers was because hunting was regulated. License fees helped restoration efforts to increase deer numbers. You are against every regulation or rule change but that's what helped get deer numbers up. To say someone that supports a game check system is a liberal is ridiculous. Seems like you are more into starting disagreements among hunters than anything else. In my opinion that what's going to hurt the future of hunting, too much bickering between people with the same interest.
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Re: Suppose you killed a deer today:
[Re: Cletus]
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06/01/13 01:34 AM
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I thinks its BS and 49ers question of how the deer herd got to its current numbers without such a system is a great question.
Heres a good question: What if someone either can not afford or through personal preference or principle does not have a phone or internet to check in these state owned deer? Cletus, it's called Basic Reasoning and you've fallen for 49er's propaganda. (on some things) Your second question... I don't know how to answer that question as the percentage of this group you're referring to is HUGE. That's like: "I know someone that was wearing his seatbelt and ran off the road into a river and couldn't unbuckle his seatbelt and drown! So I'm not wearing a seatbelt!" There will always be very small exceptions to any rule or law so therefore you accommodate the extreme exceptions and move forward with improvements that benefits the overwhelming majority. There have been so many complaints that that state doesn't know jack $%^& about game harvest numbers and when the state attempts to obtain such data, they balk at it. 49er, maybe after some years of statewide data collection, there will be a valid reason to get rid of the "one size fits all" mentality that you hate.
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Re: Suppose you killed a deer yesterday:
[Re: bwhunter]
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06/01/13 01:50 AM
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...You are against every regulation or rule change but that's what helped get deer numbers up. That's unadulterated bullcrap and you know it. You liberals always seem to turn to the "you want all or nothing" argument instead of looking in the mirror and seeing the liberal that is looking back at you. The numbers are up because we had game and fish laws, written by our legislators, that promoted conservation. I have always supported conservation and preservation of wildlife. ... To say someone that supports a game check system is a liberal is ridiculous. Seems like you are more into starting disagreements among hunters than anything else. In my opinion that what's going to hurt the future of hunting, too much bickering between people with the same interest. When an agency changes its defined mission from conservation of wildlife to manipulation of one or two species without lawful authority, that fits the definition of liberal ideology to the "T". You blame me for dividing hunters when its your own desire for these liberal "nanny-state" rules followed by even more rules that is dividing hunters. You and your buddy Bucktrot need to learn to mind your own business and quit trying to mind everyone else's if you want to be seen as conservatives.
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Re: Suppose you killed a deer yesterday:
[Re: 49er]
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06/01/13 02:04 AM
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49er, you just need to move to another state then!! No, wait a minute!!! Most other states have regulations too that require hunter input as well.
A few years ago, I killed a deer with my bow on some of Illinois' public hunting, wildlife mgmt areas and I was required to tag my buck and call in my kill and THEN I was required to answer a questionnaire too. Failure to do so meant not being able to hunt an IL WMA in the future. I did my small part which will be a greater part of collective data which decisions will be made that will benefit the deer as well as the hunter.
It's a small price to pay for better wildlife mgmt.
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Re: Suppose you killed a deer yesterday:
[Re: Bucktrot]
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06/01/13 02:40 AM
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Sounds like you need to move back to Illinois. I'll mind my own business and you can let the state mind yours if that's what you want. We've got plenty of rules already, and you still ain't happy. If more government is the answer, like you liberals always claim, then we should already be in good shape. But we always seem to need just one or two more nanny-state rules to get things where they "need" to be. Here's some of what we're already putting up with on top of our game and fish laws. If we add just 3 rules per year for the next 50 years, our grandkids will have about twice as much of this crap to put up with... and it will still be growing. 220-2-.01 2012-2013 Hunting Seasons 220-2-.02 Legal Arms, Ammunition, And Equipment For Hunting 220-2-.03 Legal Specifications For Bow And Arrow 220-2-.04 Game Birds Designated 220-2-.05 Legal Hunting Hours For Game Birds 220-2-.06 Game Animals Designated 220-2-.07 Legal Hunting Hours For Game Animals 220-2-.08 Hunting Of Raccoon, Opossum, Squirrel, Rabbit And Deer During Closed Gun Season 220-2-.09 Specification Of Firearms For Hunting (Repealed 9/14/04) 220-2-.10 The Possession Of Firearms By Bow Hunters Prohibited 220-2-.11 Prohibited Methods And Devices For Hunting 220-2-.12 Game Bag, Hunting Coat, Etc., Shall Be Open To Inspection 220-2-.13 Reasonable Effort Must Be Made To Retrieve Crippled Birds, Animals And Fish 220-2-.14 Deer Hunting Confined To Bucks Only With Bare Antlers Visible Above Hairline (Repealed 9/19/12) 220-2-.15 Destroying Sex Of Deer Or Wild Turkey Prohibited 220-2-.16 Period For Training Bird Dogs 220-2-.17 Organized Field Trials 220-2-.18 Possession Limit 220-2-.19 Permit For Shipping 2-Days Bag Limit (Repealed 9/19/12) 220-2-.20 Hunting And Trapping In State Parks, Forests, State Game Farms And Sanctuaries Prohibited Chapter 220-2 Conservation Supp. 3/31/13 2-2 220-2-.21 Possession Of Firearms Or Bow And Arrow In Any Sanctuary Prohibited 220-2-.22 Wildlife Management Areas And Sanctuaries Established 220-2-.23 Licenses And Migratory Bird Hunting Stamp Must Be In Possession 220-2-.24 Possession Of Carcass, Untanned Hides Or Skins 220-2-.25 Imported Game Birds, Game Animals, Wildlife And Raw Furs Subject To State Laws 220-2-.26 Restrictions On Possession, Sale, Importation And/Or Release Of Certain Animals And Fish 220-2-.27 Permit To Take Protected Wildlife Causing Crop Damage, Property Damage, Or Concern For Human Safety 220-2-.28 Metal Tag Required For Commercial Pen-Raised Quail (Repealed 10/14/09) 220-2-.29 Open Trapping Seasons On Fur-Bearers 220-2-.30 Fur-Bearing Animals Designated/Trap Specifications/And Prohibited Devices/Tagging Requirement 220-2-.31 Unlawful To Hang Or Suspend Bait 220-2-.32 Possession Or Sale Of Raw Furs After Close Of Season 220-2-.33 Fur Dealers 220-2-.34 Game Fish Designated 220-2-.35 Daily Creel Limits, Possession Limits And Size Limits 220-2-.36 State-Owned Public Fishing Lakes 220-2-.37 Restricted Use Of Public Access Areas 220-2-.38 Taking Of Suckers Permitted In Certain Counties 220-2-.39 Legal Methods Of Taking Minnows, Shad, And Suckers For Bait And Mullet In Freshwater 220-2-.40 Taking Fish In Waterfowl Management Areas 220-2-.41 Trolling In Certain Areas Prohibited During Duck Hunting Season (Repealed 10/14/09) 220-2-.42 Division Of Wildlife And Freshwater Fisheries And Marine Resources Division Jurisdictional Lines For Certain Fishing Licenses And Operations; Use And Possession Of Certain Nets Conservation Chapter 220-2 Supp. 3/31/13 2-3 220-2-.43 Unlawful To Willfully Waste Paddlefish 220-2-.44 Prohibited Methods Of Taking Fish 220-2-.45 Commercial Or Non-Game Fish Designated 220-2-.46 Legal Methods And Equipment For The Taking Of Commercial Or Non-Game Fish 220-2-.47 Commercial Fishing Restrictions 220-2-.48 Legal Methods And Equipment For Taking Of Freshwater Mussels 220-2-.49 Size Restrictions On Freshwater Mussels Or Their Shells 220-2-.50 Harvest Of Freshwater Mussels Restricted To Day-Light Hours Only 220-2-.51 Harvest Of Freshwater Mussels For Commercial Purposes In All Open Areas Restricted To Five Days A Week 220-2-.52 Restricted Areas For The Taking Of Freshwater Mussels 220-2-.53 Mussel Buyers Required To Report 220-2-.54 Hunting Dates, Etc., On State Wildlife Management Areas (Repealed 9/19/12) 220-2-.55 Wildlife Management Areas, Community Hunting Areas, Public Hunting Areas, And Refuges Of Alabama 220-2-.56 2012-2013 Wildlife Management Area Hunting Seasons 220-2-.57 Daily Creel Limits -- U.S. Forest Service Lands 220-2-.58 Authorized Guide Hunting Service 220-2-.59 Proof Of Payment Of Ad Valorem Taxes (Repealed 10/16/96) 220-2-.60 Airboat Regulation 220-2-.61 Creel, Possession And Size-Limits For Federally Owned And Managed Ponds And Lakes 220-2-.62 Limited Hunting Season For Deer On Certain Military Installations 220-2-.63 Reserved 220-2-.64 Black Bass Size Limit For West Point Reservoir (Repealed 7/16/97) 220-2-.65 Use Of Wire Baskets In Chilton County (Emergency Rule - Expired) 220-2-.66 Emergency Turkey Season For Redstone Arsenal (Emergency Rule - Expired) 220-2-.67 Extension Of Turkey Season (Emergency Rule Expired) 220-2-.68 Special 1983-84 Hunter's Choice Deer Seasons On Specific Federal Lands Chapter 220-2 Conservation Supp. 3/31/13 2-4 220-2-.69 Hunting Seasons And Limits For Migratory Birds 220-2-.70 Use Of Wire Baskets In Jefferson County 220-2-.71 Black Bass Size Limit For Harris Reservoir (Repealed) 220-2-.72 1985-86 Special Hunter's Choice Deer Seasons, Times, Places, Manners And Means On Specific Federal Lands 220-2-.73 The Alabama Cooperative Deer Management Assistance Program 220-2-.74 1984-85 Dove And Special Teal Hunting Seasons (Emergency Rule - Expired) 220-2-.75 Certain 1984-85 Hunting Seasons In Certain Wildlife Management Areas (Emergency Rule - Expired) 220-2-.76 1984-85 Hunting Seasons For Deer, Rabbit, Raccoon And Opossum (Emergency Rule - Expired) 220-2-.77 2012-2013 Duck, Coot, Merganser, Goose, And Teal Hunting Seasons 220-2-.78 1984-85 Hunting Season For Squirrel (Emergency Rule - Expired) 220-2-.79 Amendment To Rule No. 220-2-.75-.11er (Certain 1984-85 Wildlife Management Areas) And Rule No. 220-2-.56 (1984-85 Hunting Seasons In Wildlife Management Areas) (Emergency Rule - Expired) 220-2-.80 Running Of Hunting Dogs Prohibited During Applicable Spring Turkey Seasons 220-2-.81 Running Of Hunting Dogs Prohibited During Applicable Turkey Seasons On All State Wildlife Management Areas And Refuges 220-2-.82 Use Of Airboats Restricted (Emergency Rule - Expired) 220-2-.83 Special 1984-85 Hunter's Choice Deer Season (Emergency Rule - Expired) 220-2-.84 The Taking, Killing Or Capturing Of Commercial Or Non-Game Fish Prohibited (Repealed 9/16/92) 220-2-.85 Hunter Orange Requirement For Hunting And Definition Of Open Public-Permit Land 220-2-.86 Feral Swine Regulation 220-2-.87 1985-86 Dove And Teal Emergency Regulation Conservation Chapter 220-2 Supp. 3/31/13 2-5 220-2-.88 1985-86 Dove And Special Teal Emergency Regulation For Wildlife Management Areas 220-2-.89 1985-86 Squirrel Emergency Regulation 220-2-.90 1985-86 Starling And Squirrel Emergency Regulation For Wildlife Management Areas 220-2-.91 Reserved 220-2-.92 Nongame Species Regulation 220-2-.93 Prohibition Of Importation/Possession Of The Fishes Rudd And Roach (Repealed 9/19/12) 220-2-.94 Prohibition Of Taking Or Possessing Paddlefish (Spoonbill) 220-2-.95 Alligator Nuisance Control Hunter Regulations 220-2-.96 Alligator Farming Regulations 220-2-.97 Alligator Protection Regulation 220-2-.98 Invertebrate Species Regulation 220-2-.99 Legal Specifications For Crossbows And Arrows For Use By Disabled Persons (Repealed 9/14/04) 220-2-.100 1992 Special Hunter's Choice Deer Season For Wheeler Wildlife Refuge 220-2-.101 Hunting Of Captive Bred Mallard Ducks And Non-Native Game Birds On Commercial Fowl Hunting Preserves 220-2-.102 Prohibition Of Use Of Certain Animals In Greyhound Racing Or Training (Repealed 9/19/12) 220-2-.103 Waters Open To The Taking Of Freshwater Mussels For Commercial Purposes 220-2-.104 Legal Species Of Freshwater Mussels To Be Taken For Commercial Purposes 220-2-.105 Creel/Possession Limit On Alligator Gar 220-2-.106 Mussel Fishing Seasons 220-2-.107 Special 2012-2013 Hunting Seasons For Fort Rucker And Wheeler National Wildlife Refuge 220-2-.108 Closed Season On Taking Of Mussels - Lake Jordan, Mitchell And Lay 220-2-.109 Physically Disabled Hunting Areas 220-2-.110 Establishment Of Physically Disabled Hunting Areas 220-2-.111 Hunting License Revocation Procedures - Hunter Safety Certification Requirements Chapter 220-2 Conservation Supp. 3/31/13 2-6 220-2-.112 Dog Deer Hunting 220-2-.114 Normal Agricultural Planting And Hunting Of Dove 220-2-.115 Snagging Or Snatching Fish On The Tennessee River 220-2-.117 Special Hunting Seasons - Charles A. 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Re: Suppose you killed a deer yesterday:
[Re: 49er]
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06/01/13 03:18 AM
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49er, it's not just IL. I'd have to drive through TN to get to IL and TN has restrictions and requirements of hunters and then there's KY, which only allows ONE buck per year per hunter as well as harvest collection requirements.
I forget which state I was looking at and that state has zones. Hmmmm, wonder why the decision to carve out zones?!?!?!? Which I know you hate AL's "one size fits all" blanket.
So the collection data which backed the implementing of each individual zone... I wonder how the state validated the need to discontinue the "one size fits all" policy, that you hate 49er, and divide the state up into zones? Could it have been through collective and cumulative harvest data from hunters?
I am a Republican and I don't like intrusive government but I have no problem with sensible game laws to preserves the integrity of hunting and the future of our wildlife.
I can't blanket suggest that all states have such game laws as Alabama has adopted but I know many other highly noted whitetail states have similar if not more harvest requirements.
Last edited by Bucktrot; 06/01/13 03:26 AM.
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Re: Suppose you killed a deer yesterday:
[Re: Bucktrot]
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06/01/13 03:29 AM
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I am a Republican and I don't like intrusive government but...
There's always that "but" stuck in there when a liberal wants to be seen as a conservative. You speak with a forked tongue. You love intrusive government.
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