I agree these belong in two separate discussions.....

I think 9er wants to blend the two to help his position.
Whole lota blending going on round here!

I've got a few minutes to respond to that.

This thread opened with a post about concerns of DCNR employees killing deer at night.

Matt responded with:


OK 2dogs??

Why aren't ya'll getting ready for church now?

depredation permits to kill deer in crops...

and killing does for fetal studies....

and USDA killing deer on private property for population reduction...

ARE THREE DIFFERENT THINGS....

I am .......walking out the door now. Everyone have a blessed Sunday!

Ya know, before you got all that news coverage you mostly just defended your positions and annoyed people with post after post about the letter of the law and often times with facts to back it up. Since your semi fame you have become condescending, judgmental and arrogant. It is hard to sway people to your side if after reading your post all they see is red.

Eddie, my comparing fetal studies to depredation was in relation to them both being allowed by permit, not the same permit.

I think there are other ways around this.... Even if I had a problem with deer destroying my crops.... I would not let complete total strangers come onto my property and hunt deer. Permits or not.... The public can be a harsh and destructive crowd.... and I don't mean just on the deer....

How you know we aren't?
Church service times vary, and some of us it doesn't take all mornin' to get ready.
You're too slow, you could get ready quicker if you didn't cut n paste so much.

True- talker
Surely the farmer could through local church groups and local hunters be able to allow enough hunting to get the deer herd under control in a more acceptable manner.

It seems like to me these farmers don't know enough people to help..... Or either they don't trust the people around them....

If it was that easy for them to get hunters to kill the deer for them I would imagine these farmers wouldn't be requesting these permits.... Or else the farmers have their own agendas.... meat in the freezer... etc.

I don't know if it was done strictly to reduce population or for studies but when my mother lived right by the Eufaula NWR I know that atleast once she received a letter in the mail telling her that if she heard gunshots at night on a certain that they were doing it on the NWR. Cant remember for sure but I think it said for population reduction. Which to me is odd to have a archery only place then go in after season and shoot deer at night with guns.

Oak Mtn Park did the same thing......

What I find laughable is you are neither one of those having EVER been involved with enforcement, rulemaking, NOR research using those to conduct scientific research, though, in your mind, you are the expert here. You're a joke!

2 different issues - one is depredation permits to reduce the population, NOT done by biologists and game wardens employed by the State. The other is SCIENTIFIC collection permits to collect biological data to help manage the States wildlife resource and IS done by Biologists and game wardens employed by the State.

gobbler, like me, you knew better.....

goobler,

It doesn't take an expert to understand that the same DCNR application form that I shared here from which your quote was taken contains the very same law that prohibits taking protected animals at night. The statute contains no exception for collections involving scientific research.

Perhaps an exception should be included in the law, but it is not there.

Your attempt to show "proof" that taking protected animals for scientific research is a valid exception "between sunset and daylight of the following day" is the joke.

Your "proof" is not persuasive. Persuade your legislators to change the law.

goobler,



You're not reading the whole thread. We've already covered your failing attempt to except DCNR employees from the scope of the law.

Since you want to bypass the proof I've already furnished, I'll post it here again for quick reference:



For what it's worth, neither a collection permit nor a depredation permit can authorize violations of the law.

Only the legislature can authorize the actions these permits pretend to authorize.


Timmons v. City of Montgomery, 641 So. 2d 1263 - Ala: Court of Criminal Appeals 1993



Druid City Hospital Bd. v. Epperson, 378 So. 2d 696 - Ala: Supreme Court 1979

Eddie, would you repeat what you have said?

Probably.