Maybe it would make everyone feel better about the situation if they just publically posted the data collected.
For example;
Perry co fetus survey:
June 1st-19th 2012
10 deer shot
8 does killed
3 :no fetuses
1 :3 fetuses
4 :2 fetuses
1 buck accidentally shot
1 deer shot and not recovered

Now I am thinking how much more this may upset the masses, deer that are shot and not recovered would be much more prone to infection and a painful slow death during the hot summer months. Also I imagine hunting at night increases the potential for poor shots, why not just do the harvesting In Daylight like normal hunters. On the other hand if they hunt all summer at night maybe the deer will move more in the daytime come deer season

Why not try something like this first:

To:

House: AGRICULTURE AND FORESTRY
Chad Fincher, Steve Hurst,; Richard Lindsey Donnie Chesteen, Randy Davis, Joe Faust, Dexter Grimsley, Paul Lee, A.J. McCampbell
Subcommittee, Sporting Issues: Randy Davis, Chair; Donnie Chesteen, Richard Lindsey, Joe Faust, A.J. McCampbell


Senate: AGRICULTURE, CONSERVATION AND FORESTRY

Whatley, Glover, Beasley, Bussman , Keahey, McGill, Sanford, Scofield, Singleton, Williams

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Members of the Legislature:

Please consider an amendment to Code of Alabama 1975, 9-11-235 as indicated below:

“It shall be unlawful, except as to trapping as otherwise provided by law, for a person to take, capture, or kill, or attempt to take, capture, or kill any bird or animal protected by the laws of this state between sunset and daylight of the following day, except that the Commissioner of Conservation and Natural Resources may by a duly promulgated regulation, allow the taking, catching, or killing of raccoons and opossums between sunset and daylight in any county or counties within the state, or for the collection of members of any species of protected wildlife for scientific purposes as allowed by permit issued by the Commissioner …”


Sincerely,
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one BIG reason that DCNR dosen't go to the legislature for law changes is because they(DCNR) have no control over what the idiots in the legislature write into the law, change about the law, or any damn thing else. It ain't so simple eddie.

YOU'RE the one so worried and apparently have the time so why don't YOU address the "problem"????

I've tried more than once troy.

Problem is, me and Allen Farley were on opposite sides of the gun control bill he helped pass this year, so he don't like me anymore... probably never did.

Greg Reed has never been much of a representative. To represent, you need to communicate. He won't.

The others expect me to go through the people I vote for. I just covered that.

I was thinking maybe somebody in the districts of the members of the applicable committees might have a better chance. It's not that I've been scared or lazy... it's more like I've already made them mad by pointing out things that need attention, so I'm not on their list of people they listen to.

Funny how that happens ain't it?

If there's a biologist that has concerns over violating the law while doing his job, he could probably get some needed attention from legislators. Of course the obvious one to get the law changed is the Commissioner, but he thinks there are no limits to his power, so it don't matter to him.

I agree and concur, the legislature could screw up a.........

Bottom line:

We should all just do just like the DCNR people do ...

if the law doesn't fit our plans, ignore it and do what we want to do anyhow.



Quote from Justice Louis D. Brandeis, US Supreme Court

Olmstead v. United States, 277 US 438 - Supreme Court 1928

MR. JUSTICE BRANDEIS, dissenting.:



Olmstead v US *** click here ****

With so much BS flying around, it becomes hard to resist

Also trying to fulfill 3FFarms prediction



Actually, just the opposite is true in my experience. Sandbags, a stable rest, observers with binoculars to verify ID and range, and very focused in a light. Much higher recovery and kill rate per shot than normal hunting. Also much easier to collect multiple per hour than standard "hunting". If most researchers don't enjoy doing it, then why do you think they do it at night - MUCH higher success per unit effort.

What's actually sad Eddie is that in many, I would actually say MOST, arguments you present on here, I am on your side, although you would never admit it and do your best to point out any minute differences. But on issues like this you loose all common sense. Stick to high impact issues that you are CLEARLY right on and you might win folks over. MY $.02

Gob.

The legislature don't close hunting seasons and then call in their troops to kill the droves of deer that are left and forbid them from being used for food by the shooters ...

How screwed up is that?

goobler,


We don't see eye to eye.

I don't think it makes sense to put people like Matt Brock in the position of choosing to break the law or doing his job effectively in a manner that does no public harm. That's his choice now whether he agrees with me or not.

There is no reason for it.



Neither do I think honest hunters should be required to commit perjury in order to obtain permission to rid their properties of nuisance animals when the Commissioner chooses to classify those nuisance animals as game animals.


The Commissioner designates protected animals, and he can remove coyotes and feral pigs from that classification with a stroke of his pen. Instead, he causes them to be protected by law and then turns his head when the law is violated.

That flies in the face of all common sense, yet you defend it.

I'm not the one not using common sense here.

I am calling bull, no way you can see another deer that may be 20 yards behind the one you are shooting at night, not like you could in daylight. Same goes for seeing a stick or limb that may deflect the bullet no spot light is as good as the sun. Also if we r shooting them at night just bait them and shoot them in the daylight what's the difference

I'm sure in your experience comparing the couple hundred you shot during the day to the hundred or so you shot at night, that may be true, but in my experience of a couple hundred in the day and a hundred or so at night, plus the other research deer I have seen collected, you are wrong.

I rest my case

Your opinion of my opinion is usually different than mine as well. However, my ACTUAL opinion is usually NOT what you say it is. Show me where I defend this:


I know you like to be a martyr, the lone voice on the hill, and deflect and insult all those who might defend your position. I know a few other folks who do the same, then claim everyone is against them. Amazing with all this small government talk you still are a hypocritical, union supporting lib who only talks this way when it suits your purpose but gives support to a union who politically supports all the big-government libs in the state and fed... including Obama. I don't believe I ever gave any money that went to Obama!

What I also find interesting is that your position is a complete indictment of the wildlife research field and you accuse the beginning wildlife biologists of starting their career with illegal techniques. When field technicians (what I started at in 1982) begin wildlife research, the first thing they typically do is catch stuff (under research collection permits) to research. Catching ducks and turkeys with alpha-chloralose and nets, deer with nets, pens and tranquilizer darts, etc. We captured both quail and ducks at night with spotlights and nets, deer with darts and nets, turkeys with drugs and nets, squirrels at night with nets, as well as shooting deer at night in spotlights summer and winter to do food habit and reproductive studies, anyway we could catch them and, to my knowledge, we were all legal. I was even arrested about 2 in the AM in GA by some overzealous GW's for having 150 quail traps in the woods that they didn't know about. The Judge threw the case out and chastised the wardens for bothering us, so I guess my permit was all legal like. I can give you her number if you like

Gobbler you have no idea of experience I may or may not have, remember that. Assuming mainly just makes an ass of you. If this gets to 7 pages soon I will be done arguing with u, so I can kill some more deer tonight. I just wrote a permit.

one point 49'er , some farmers have to slaughter them because the hunters that lease it won't and then they bitch about the farmer doing their job .

That is correct sir, that's why I gave you credit for at least 100 kills in the spotlight to cover my bases and give you credit for knowing what you were talking about. If it is more then I apologize

I'm calling bull on your bull. I've been on crop depredation permits. We shot them in Soy Bean fields, July and August when beans are blooming, very easy to see, not as good as daylight, but plenty good enough, and no limbs or sticks.

Big T, what if Mr. Farmer allows hunting and for what ever reason the "hunters" aren't getting the job done? Maybe they tell Mr. Farmer they'll shoot every doe they see, but in reality only buck hunt, telling Mr. Farmer "we just don't see many does on your place". It happens.

sorry to say it just aint that easy . what you end up with is torn up fields and drains , gates left open . it's about money , its about whats cost effective for the farmer .

plus you run in to safety issues when you allow different people like that hunt