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Re: Hunting At Night Conducted by WFF
[Re: 2Dogs]
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06/23/13 03:15 AM
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Doing fetal surveys and crop depredation are 2 different issues IMO.
I agree these belong in two separate discussions.....
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Re: Hunting At Night Conducted by WFF
[Re: bigt]
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06/23/13 03:25 AM
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2Dogs
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Doing fetal surveys and crop depredation are 2 different issues IMO.
I agree these belong in two separate discussions..... I think 9er wants to blend the two to help his position. Whole lota blending going on round here!
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Re: Hunting At Night Conducted by WFF
[Re: 2Dogs]
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06/23/13 03:51 AM
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Doing fetal surveys and crop depredation are 2 different issues IMO.
I agree these belong in two separate discussions..... I think 9er wants to blend the two to help his position. Whole lota blending going on round here! I've got a few minutes to respond to that. This thread opened with a post about concerns of DCNR employees killing deer at night. Matt responded with: Also, we do work under a permit no different than a depredation permit issued to landowners to kill deer at night on their own property, except we are gaining very valuable reproduction data that you can not get by asking hunters. Asking 10 hunters when peak breeding occurs in an area is about useless. You'll get 7 different answers, maybe more. OK 2dogs?? Why aren't ya'll getting ready for church now?
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Re: Hunting At Night Conducted by WFF
[Re: Jack Fate]
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06/23/13 04:00 AM
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BhamFred
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depredation permits to kill deer in crops...
and killing does for fetal studies....
and USDA killing deer on private property for population reduction...
ARE THREE DIFFERENT THINGS....
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
proud Cracker-Americaan
muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one
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Re: Hunting At Night Conducted by WFF
[Re: 49er]
#613598
06/23/13 04:03 AM
06/23/13 04:03 AM
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Doing fetal surveys and crop depredation are 2 different issues IMO.
I agree these belong in two separate discussions..... I think 9er wants to blend the two to help his position. Whole lota blending going on round here! I've got a few minutes to respond to that. This thread opened with a post about concerns of DCNR employees killing deer at night. Matt responded with: Also, we do work under a permit no different than a depredation permit issued to landowners to kill deer at night on their own property, except we are gaining very valuable reproduction data that you can not get by asking hunters. Asking 10 hunters when peak breeding occurs in an area is about useless. You'll get 7 different answers, maybe more. OK 2dogs?? Why aren't ya'll getting ready for church now? I am .......walking out the door now. Everyone have a blessed Sunday!
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Re: Hunting At Night Conducted by WFF
[Re: 49er]
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06/23/13 04:09 AM
06/23/13 04:09 AM
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Doing fetal surveys and crop depredation are 2 different issues IMO.
I agree these belong in two separate discussions..... I think 9er wants to blend the two to help his position. Whole lota blending going on round here! I've got a few minutes to respond to that. This thread opened with a post about concerns of DCNR employees killing deer at night. Matt responded with: Also, we do work under a permit no different than a depredation permit issued to landowners to kill deer at night on their own property, except we are gaining very valuable reproduction data that you can not get by asking hunters. Asking 10 hunters when peak breeding occurs in an area is about useless. You'll get 7 different answers, maybe more. OK 2dogs?? Why aren't ya'll getting ready for church now? Ya know, before you got all that news coverage you mostly just defended your positions and annoyed people with post after post about the letter of the law and often times with facts to back it up. Since your semi fame you have become condescending, judgmental and arrogant. It is hard to sway people to your side if after reading your post all they see is red.
"Political debate: when charlatans come together to discuss their principles" - Bauvard
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Re: Hunting At Night Conducted by WFF
[Re: Jack Fate]
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06/23/13 04:22 AM
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Matt Brock
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Eddie, my comparing fetal studies to depredation was in relation to them both being allowed by permit, not the same permit.
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Re: Hunting At Night Conducted by WFF
[Re: bigt]
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06/23/13 04:32 AM
06/23/13 04:32 AM
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I'm with 49er on this one. I think it's complete bs. These permits they give out to shoot does at night in the summer is just outright wrong. There is no legal statute to allow one person to hunt out of season, at night, and then to just kill and leave laying that's a totally different can of worms. I am not a fan of the crop damage permits. If a farmer needs his deer herd reduced he should open his land for public hunting through the use of permits and have as many deer as the law allows and is needed to be killed. That way everyone wins the farmer gets his deer killed, people get hunting access and the meat is not wasted. I think there are other ways around this.... Even if I had a problem with deer destroying my crops.... I would not let complete total strangers come onto my property and hunt deer. Permits or not.... The public can be a harsh and destructive crowd.... and I don't mean just on the deer....
Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves...
Confucius
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Re: Hunting At Night Conducted by WFF
[Re: 49er]
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06/23/13 04:37 AM
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Doing fetal surveys and crop depredation are 2 different issues IMO.
I agree these belong in two separate discussions..... I think 9er wants to blend the two to help his position. Whole lota blending going on round here! I've got a few minutes to respond to that. This thread opened with a post about concerns of DCNR employees killing deer at night. Matt responded with: Also, we do work under a permit no different than a depredation permit issued to landowners to kill deer at night on their own property, except we are gaining very valuable reproduction data that you can not get by asking hunters. Asking 10 hunters when peak breeding occurs in an area is about useless. You'll get 7 different answers, maybe more. OK 2dogs?? Why aren't ya'll getting ready for church now? How you know we aren't? Church service times vary, and some of us it doesn't take all mornin' to get ready. You're too slow, you could get ready quicker if you didn't cut n paste so much.
"Why do you ask"?
Always vote the slowest path to socialism.
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Re: Hunting At Night Conducted by WFF
[Re: bigt]
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06/23/13 06:33 AM
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True- talker Surely the farmer could through local church groups and local hunters be able to allow enough hunting to get the deer herd under control in a more acceptable manner. It seems like to me these farmers don't know enough people to help..... Or either they don't trust the people around them.... If it was that easy for them to get hunters to kill the deer for them I would imagine these farmers wouldn't be requesting these permits.... Or else the farmers have their own agendas.... meat in the freezer... etc.
Before you embark on a journey of revenge, dig two graves...
Confucius
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Re: Hunting At Night Conducted by WFF
[Re: LIOJeff]
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06/23/13 07:05 AM
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I don't know if it was done strictly to reduce population or for studies but when my mother lived right by the Eufaula NWR I know that atleast once she received a letter in the mail telling her that if she heard gunshots at night on a certain that they were doing it on the NWR. Cant remember for sure but I think it said for population reduction. Which to me is odd to have a archery only place then go in after season and shoot deer at night with guns. Oak Mtn Park did the same thing......
I've spent most of the money I've made in my lifetime on hunting and fishing. The rest I just wasted.....
proud Cracker-Americaan
muslims are like coyotes, only good one is a dead one
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Re: Hunting At Night Conducted by WFF
[Re: 49er]
#613642
06/23/13 07:18 AM
06/23/13 07:18 AM
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gobbler
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There are at least two participants in this discussion who have been involved in enforcement of our game and fish laws who haven't shown us where there is an exception to the law either.
What I find laughable is you are neither one of those having EVER been involved with enforcement, rulemaking, NOR research using those equipment or by methods not permitted under a valid hunting, fishing or trapping license. to conduct scientific research, though, in your mind, you are the expert here. You're a joke!
I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine
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Re: Hunting At Night Conducted by WFF
[Re: Bar7Mag]
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06/23/13 07:23 AM
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I'm with 49er on this one. I think it's complete bs. These permits they give out to shoot does at night in the summer is just outright wrong. There is no legal statute to allow one person to hunt out of season, at night, and then to just kill and leave laying that's a totally different can of worms. 2 different issues - one is depredation permits to reduce the population, NOT done by biologists and game wardens employed by the State. The other is SCIENTIFIC collection permits to collect biological data to help manage the States wildlife resource and IS done by Biologists and game wardens employed by the State.
I swear by my life and my love of it that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine
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Re: Hunting At Night Conducted by WFF
[Re: gobbler]
#613651
06/23/13 07:50 AM
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goobler, 2 different issues - one is depredation permits to reduce the population, NOT done by biologists and game wardens employed by the State. The other is SCIENTIFIC collection permits to collect biological data to help manage the States wildlife resource and IS done by Biologists and game wardens employed by the State. You're not reading the whole thread. We've already covered your failing attempt to except DCNR employees from the scope of the law. Since you want to bypass the proof I've already furnished, I'll post it here again for quick reference: Section 9-2-6 Commissioner of Conservation and Natural Resources - Powers and duties generally.
... In the performance of such functions and duties and in the exercise of such powers and authorities, the Commissioner of Conservation and Natural Resources and all other officers and employees of the Department of Conservation and Natural Resources shall, however, be subject to all legal restrictions, limitations and conditions and penalties, civil and criminal, with respect to the performance of such functions and duties and the exercise of such powers and authorities.
For what it's worth, neither a collection permit nor a depredation permit can authorize violations of the law. Only the legislature can authorize the actions these permits pretend to authorize. ... "When legislative power is delegated to administrative officials it is constitutionally required that adequate guides and standards be established by the delegating legislative body so that the administrative officials, appointed by the executive and not elected by the people, will not legislate, but will find and apply facts in a particular case in accordance with the policy established by the legislative body." (Emphasis in original.) Comm'n on Med. Discipline v. Stillman, 435 A. 2d 747 - Md: Court of Appeals 1981
Timmons v. City of Montgomery, 641 So. 2d 1263 - Ala: Court of Criminal Appeals 1993 ... If we assume that this is a sufficient cause, we allow the legislature to delegate to an administrative official the power to determine when and if a statute will go into effect. This we cannot do in light of Art. IV, § 44 of the Alabama Constitution, which provides: "The legislative power of this state shall be vested in a legislature, which shall consist of a senate and a house of representatives." Mead v. Eagerton, 255 Ala. 66, 50 So.2d 253 (1951).
Druid City Hospital Bd. v. Epperson, 378 So. 2d 696 - Ala: Supreme Court 1979
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Re: Hunting At Night Conducted by WFF
[Re: Jack Fate]
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06/23/13 08:04 AM
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Gotcha1
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Eddie, would you repeat what you have said?
Matt Brock wears knock-off Crocs.
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