Not such a big deal after all. He said so himself and I just watched him say it word for word.

Guy said violators are most likely to receive tickets that start at only $50, and that wildlife officials will be understanding with hunters who truly can't file their report. "If you can't do it within 24 hours, just try to do it as soon thereafter as you can," he said.


http://www.waff.com/story/23343952/state-seeks-to-calm-hunting-controversy

Crystal clear, we are going to fine you if you don't do what we say!!

The best quote in the article, "[color:#FF0000][color:#FF0000]We really don't know, to the degree we'd like to know, what our deer population is," [/color][/color]he said. "Particularly on a county by county basis or a region by region basis. The only way we can properly manage the deer or the turkeys is to know what kind of population we have. And the data that we'll get from game check will greatly increase the opportunities for us to do that."

Did I miss something???????? How are you going to know what the deer and turkey populations are from only what is killed and reported???????????? AND they are going to "MANAGE" on a "county by county basis or a region by region basis" by what was KILLED and "reported"?????

If this wasn't done by the FORCE of government it would be completely laughable!!!!!!!!!!!!! Wait a minute, it is completely laughable!

just goes to show you that they have no clue on what they are doing. If you kill a deer we will know how many are left. That there is crazy.

They will be able to use the harvest data to extrapolate herd populations. This data will be a lot more useful than we have now which is not much. I don't like how they have it set up, but I am used to Tennessee where you have to tag and check in every deer and turkey killed.

Tennessee has done a damn good job using it. County by county, region by region.

Just like the political pollsters who do a random sample of voters-- you then use some fancy math to predict the election. Not as good as an actual count, but probably the best estimate you can get. As to the county-by-county management--Have you ever seen the hunt regs and seasons for some of the western states with elk and mule deer? It is more complicated than income tax. There are actually some businesses that will help trophy hunters manage their applications, sort of like the CPAs of big game hunting. Alabama took a tiny step toward that by recognizizng the difference in the population dynamics of the northern and southern parts of the state. Some western states have over 50 zones, with losts of different short seasons for bow, black powder, and rifle. In some places you can end up with only 4 days to hunt in one zone with one weapon for one sex/size of one species. Makes our situation look real easy.

I'd feel better if that statement came from the Chief of Enforcement

"Just try to do it as soon as possible"????? Unreal.

I believe earlier this summer I mentioned "just do your best" about being in areas with no cell service and was hit with the Yekrut stick.


If the Commissioner is on the record in a public news media outlet as saying it's OK to violate the 24-hour rule and "just try to do it as soon thereafter as you can" then we're all good.

Because Billy Bob's "soon thereafter" may be a week and Johnny's "soon thereafter" could be three days and Danny's "soon thereafter" could be a month. "Soon" has different meanings to different people.


And a $50 violation? Big whoop. Those who don't want to report a deer aren't going to give a flip about that versus not getting caught and shooting multiple bucks. You can say all you want about 'honest hunters doing the right thing' or following rules, but if there's no teeth to the enforcement then it's virtually worthless. Sounds like ADEM slapping a $10,000 fine on a company that makes $10 million a year.

I believe that might be $50 for the ticket plus court costs.

Always read the fine print.

How is this crazy? After the honest hunters report their kill then that number will be subtracted from the state wide estimated deer population. Do you have a better solution? You can always call Gunter Guy or Curtis Jones and tell them your plan.

Do y'all really think dcnr just pulls this stuff out of their ass?
If you do you are wrong.

Myself and many others on this forum can assure you it is not.

Please assure us then.

I'm of the opinion that is exactly where it comes from.

Yes they pull it out of their ass right next to their pocketbook. If they just wanted information it would have been easier for hunters and cost a lot less manpower just to have hunters report previous harvest when they buy next years license.

The only problem for that is that it does not generate fine revenue or justify more manpower for enforcement to perpetuate the monster called government.

I've never said it is the best way to get the harvest information but its better than what we had. It also beats having a tag and check station like many other states do. Which will probably be in the near future if game check is not being utilized by hunters. IMO

A tag and check station would also cost a lot more money than game check.

If any of y'all besides me attended the February CAB meeting all of this was explained by Gunter Guy.

We may not understand game check or agree with it but it is here to stay.

It's not about game management. It's about growing government and getting more funding to grow government. If they wanted information, they could better estimate herd populations by checking insurance claims.

How about some of you guys go and sit in meetings with Gunter Guy, Curtis Jones or Chuck Sykes and here what they have to say. I have sat down with a couple of these guys face to face to discuss this.

Is it the best possible thing we could get, probably not, but it is much better than what we had. Maybe we will learn something from it and change to something better and less "intrusive" in your guys eyes.

You can go back and see that I have never been a fan of the CAB or it's members but Mr. Guy, Mr. Jones and Mr. Sykes have thoroughly studied the options and discussed it with wildlife PROFESSIONALS before coming to any type of decision.

Again, this was something that was asked for by the hunters! How hard is that to understand?

Call up Kevin and ask him to say it

You the man with all the connections.

Which hunters?

I didn't ask for it. Nobody I hunt with asked for it.

I asked for them to remain within the limits of our constitutions and their authority defined by law. They haven't don't that.

How hard is that to understand?

Didn't say you did but you do not represent everyone, you represent yourself and until you are elected to represent more than yourself, you are 1 person in a sea of many that has a different opinion than you.

Our constitutions and our laws represent the will of the people ... not the rules legislated by an executive agency that usurp powers of our legislature amd define new crimes.