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Re: The 24 hour rule on check in [Re: YEKRUT] #669002
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Am I missing something?? We have been doing this in NC for years not digitally but still reporting them!! We had to stop at a local store and report them. No biggie! Not sure what all the fuss is about?


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Re: The 24 hour rule on check in [Re: foghorn] #669004
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Originally Posted By: foghorn
Am I missing something?? We have been doing this in NC for years not digitally but still reporting them!! We had to stop at a local store and report them. No biggie! Not sure what all the fuss is about?


to me the big deal is it's useless

Re: The 24 hour rule on check in [Re: YEKRUT] #669008
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Nighthunter, since you seem to be real tight with the hunting industry through Soterra, make all of the leaseholders and Soterra as a company provide ALL information on ALL deer that are on, travel through, die on, get killed on or seen on those properties report that in log form to the DNCR. Then the DNCR would have a great idea of the deer that was on, traveled through, died on or was killed on those properties and they could "MANAGE" them for you and Soterra and no further information would be required from anybody else since they extrapolate anyways, right??

I believe the only hunters that "ASKED" for it probably were in a very small overly vocal minority that just can't stand the neighbors killing ALL THEIR deer. What do you believe the dollar limit is for the average hunter in the State to kill a deer? $100, $200, $500, $1,000, $2,000, $5,000, $10,000, $50,000, etc?? Or, the point of saturation when public hunting land becomes dangerous and/or a deterrent to hunting? The more lease prices go up, more restrictions, regulations and laws there are the LESS people will be willing or able to hunt. But, I am sure that is perfectly fine with those vocal minorities that want the State to do the work for them.


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Re: The 24 hour rule on check in [Re: Fun4all] #669047
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Originally Posted By: Fun4all
Nighthunter, since you seem to be real tight with the hunting industry through Soterra, make all of the leaseholders and Soterra as a company provide ALL information on ALL deer that are on, travel through, die on, get killed on or seen on those properties report that in log form to the DNCR. Then the DNCR would have a great idea of the deer that was on, traveled through, died on or was killed on those properties and they could "MANAGE" them for you and Soterra and no further information would be required from anybody else since they extrapolate anyways, right??

I believe the only hunters that "ASKED" for it probably were in a very small overly vocal minority that just can't stand the neighbors killing ALL THEIR deer. What do you believe the dollar limit is for the average hunter in the State to kill a deer? $100, $200, $500, $1,000, $2,000, $5,000, $10,000, $50,000, etc?? Or, the point of saturation when public hunting land becomes dangerous and/or a deterrent to hunting? The more lease prices go up, more restrictions, regulations and laws there are the LESS people will be willing or able to hunt. But, I am sure that is perfectly fine with those vocal minorities that want the State to do the work for them.


I think more people are for this than you realize. It depends on what part of the state you hunt, in my opinion. Some parts of the state have seen the population decline over the past 5 years. Not all areas are overpopulated

Re: The 24 hour rule on check in [Re: YEKRUT] #669050
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This is only the first step to the whole state becoming Dream Ranch, 10 yrs only the wealthy will be able to hunt in alabama. Cause they will know where any quality deer come from, down to the spot. It wont stop now. The box is wide open.

Re: The 24 hour rule on check in [Re: YEKRUT] #669081
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We need a tag system instead of the check in system.

Re: The 24 hour rule on check in [Re: Frankie] #669100
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Originally Posted By: Frankie
Originally Posted By: foghorn
Am I missing something?? We have been doing this in NC for years not digitally but still reporting them!! We had to stop at a local store and report them. No biggie! Not sure what all the fuss is about?


to me the big deal is it's useless


Useless to people who can't read, interpret a study, understand, or even know what biology is. I figure most that are against a check in or tagging system just don't really care what happens to the wildlife and for the most part are antigovernment and think that they are above the law. Poachers gonna poach!


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Re: The 24 hour rule on check in [Re: spy] #669105
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Originally Posted By: spy
We need a tag system instead of the check in system.


A tag is just a piece of paper. A check in is a record of that tag that can be used to pull data. Anyone can print out tags the way they are now and continue to kill all the bucks they want. You require a tag and a check in and you have a record that can be used. Are people still going to cheat the system? Yep, but at least the ones of us who would like to help can help out the biologists who do care.


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Re: The 24 hour rule on check in [Re: YEKRUT] #669133
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I’ve heard numerous times now that we are collecting data to help the biologists and everyone is all for it because of this. I’d assume then if they are implementing such a program as this to obtain this data then they must already have GIS programs, etc…..already in place just waiting to plug this data into it. Yes?….No?….Maybe? Has anyone actually said what this data will tell us? All of you folks who are in support of it because it will provide us with better data…..be more specific. If you are so strongly in favor then you must know what we will be able to do with this data. Tell us more. Maybe I missed it. Some of you who have actually sat down with the “men in charge”……did you all discuss what they would do with all of this data. Is the plan just to collect it all and then figure out what to do with it?


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Re: The 24 hour rule on check in [Re: YEKRUT] #669134
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Originally Posted By: YEKRUT


Useless to people who can't read, interpret a study, understand, or even know what biology is. I figure most that are against a check in or tagging system just don't really care what happens to the wildlife and for the most part are antigovernment and think that they are above the law. Poachers gonna poach!


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Re: The 24 hour rule on check in [Re: CNC] #669144
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I’ve heard numerous times now that we are collecting data to help the biologists and everyone is all for it because of this. I’d assume then if they are implementing such a program as this to obtain this data then they must already have GIS programs, etc…..already in place just waiting to plug this data into it. Yes?….No?….Maybe? Has anyone actually said what this data will tell us? All of you folks who are in support of it because it will provide us with better data…..be more specific. If you are so strongly in favor then you must know what we will be able to do with this data. Tell us more. Maybe I missed it. Some of you who have actually sat down with the “men in charge”……did you all discuss what they would do with all of this data. Is the plan just to collect it all and then figure out what to do with it?


Yes they have and use a GIS. I don't now any state that doesn't utilize it. Go to the TWRA website. Hell wait just a minute and I will provide it for you so you can see the kind of data you can get from a check in.


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Re: The 24 hour rule on check in [Re: YEKRUT] #669145
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Originally Posted By: YEKRUT
Originally Posted By: Frankie
Originally Posted By: foghorn
Am I missing something?? We have been doing this in NC for years not digitally but still reporting them!! We had to stop at a local store and report them. No biggie! Not sure what all the fuss is about?


to me the big deal is it's useless


Useless to people who can't read, interpret a study, understand, or even know what biology is. I figure most that are against a check in or tagging system just don't really care what happens to the wildlife and for the most part are antigovernment and think that they are above the law. Poachers gonna poach!



ok tell me how many deer are in elmore county ???

what is the study?

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Re: The 24 hour rule on check in [Re: joshm28] #669147
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I think more people are for this than you realize. It depends on what part of the state you hunt, in my opinion. Some parts of the state have seen the population decline over the past 5 years. Not all areas are overpopulated [/quote]

So how does the number killed provide information on how many deer are still in an area when they have no idea of how many there was to begin with? The biologist that spoke before the "board" (stated in one of the cut & paste transcripts that 49er posted. Yes, I actually read them to gain knowledge) stated that NO state can get accurate numbers of how many deer are in their state, so how does it make it anymore accurate than the guessing that this state and the other states have done in the past? Why not just mandate that ALL leaseholders and landowners that lease hunting rights are required to provide the data or be fined $100 per acre if they don't, it would be easy for the GW's to enforce instead of chasing Billy Bob around checking to see if he called in his one doe that he killed. Seems like that would be a much better and efficient us of time and resources. Or, is that just not controlling enough??


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Re: The 24 hour rule on check in [Re: YEKRUT] #669164
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Alright... Go here and check out the reports on the left hand side. All kinds of good info there. I can also go back and view all of my harvests over the years.


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Re: The 24 hour rule on check in [Re: YEKRUT] #669168
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lets not forget they claim this is to help manage the deer population . lol

Re: The 24 hour rule on check in [Re: YEKRUT] #669171
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Originally Posted By: YEKRUT
Alright... Go here and check out the reports on the left hand side. All kinds of good info there. I can also go back and view all of my harvests over the years.


so ,,, wheres is the living deer numbers ????

Re: The 24 hour rule on check in [Re: YEKRUT] #669186
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from counting dead deer ,,, how will they know to set limits ????

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Alright... Go here and check out the reports on the left hand side. All kinds of good info there. I can also go back and view all of my harvests over the years.


so ,,, wheres is the living deer numbers ????


No problem, lets hire 4000 new state employees, purchase 2000 new choppers and count every single deer everyday so we will know precisely. Great idea but not possible. OR we could let the people who KNOW and STUDY the wildlife in our state daily do what they do. hell without them there wouldnt be any deer or turkey here to hunt to amount to anything. You use harvest data to determine the health and density of your herds, age range, where you need to regulate harvest, where you need to take more. Damn I am an IT guy not a biologist and I can understand that.


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Originally Posted By: YEKRUT
Originally Posted By: Frankie
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Alright... Go here and check out the reports on the left hand side. All kinds of good info there. I can also go back and view all of my harvests over the years.


so ,,, wheres is the living deer numbers ????


No problem, lets hire 4000 new state employees, purchase 2000 new choppers and count every single deer everyday so we will know precisely. Great idea but not possible. OR we could let the people who KNOW and STUDY the wildlife in our state daily do what they do. hell without them there wouldnt be any deer or turkey here to hunt to amount to anything. You use harvest data to determine the health and density of your herds, age range, where you need to regulate harvest, where you need to take more. Damn I am an IT guy not a biologist and I can understand that.


It's to simple Yek for some folks to understand.


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Re: The 24 hour rule on check in [Re: YEKRUT] #669215
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Which one of those graphs or reports tells us if the deer are over their carrying capacity and the habitat degrading as a result?


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