I'll pick it up in the am.

Hopefully... but how does that help us now??? Considering all the arguments???

We are forward thinking... You would think the people in charge of the herd would be too.. Especially since they are suppose to be smarter than us.. Not only that.. But PAID to be smarter than us.. Obviously that ain't happening either...

Dammit, I'm going to bed. Y'all put together a plan to kill all the pine goats in alabama and I will back you in the morning about 5ish when I get up. I'm thinking a birth control drug in the Walmart deer corn and Clorox jugs ought to about wipe them all out in 5 years. Run the plan another 5 years just to be safe and then plow the whole state under and plant chufa where every damn pine tree is at now. By then I will be retired and can hunt every day of the season.

i aint either but i'm smart enough to know what i need to kill with out the state . to bad a few can't do it with out having their hand held .

the corn pile thing was uncalled for . you ever consider i might just know how to hunt .

or, or how bout this? How bout the state worry about their property, and set harvest data for the state or county. Then leave me alone to manage my property within the LAWS of the state harvest, and the goals I have on my property. They dont need to know what the deer quality is on my place. All that does is drive lease prices up and land prices up, and keeps all us hunters spending more and more money thinking our neighbor has bigger deer than I do. Govt needs to be less involved not more IMHO.

I wish y'all would kill them all, unfortunately I am in the minority and some people actually like the dang things.

People actually deer hunt in alabama without corn? Blasphemy! The next thing you are going to tell me is that people actually hunt in the woods sitting on the ground and don't have to have a shooting house on a green field. Craziness

Night Hunter

Let me get this straight so that I'm sure I'm understanding your management philosophy correctly......Are you saying that I should take the trends in the avg weight for deer killed in District 4 and use that to determine how many deer we need to kill off of our lease in Barbour Co?

I've read an article stating that at least 1/2 of the deer killed are killed not legally. How are we ever going to account for this number. only the honest legal hunter will ever report his kill. I like the method of having to report your last years kill before you but the next year's license.
but my feelings are there will never be a good way. La and some other states have a tag regulation. You get your tags with your license. The rule that you can kill a doe a day is just crazy also.

Tech jobs and CORN!, with Alabama leading the way. Sweet.

I think some folks get confused this way.......They are not trying to tell you how to hunt on your land. They are however telling you how to hunt THEIR deer. Always been that way whether we like it or not. We don't own the deer on our land the State of Alabama does.

We have tags here I Louisiana and it is very simple. When you buy your license you get 3 antlered tags and 3 antlerless tags. The state changed the zones this year due to the large die off from blue tonge last year and the decline in the herd from the hurricanes in the past. The sw portion of the state south of I10 will now have doe days. 17 days total between primitive and firearms season. As for as the tagging system,as soon as you recover the animal you have to place your tag on it and you now have 7 days to call in the Info with date, sex, and parish it was killed in. State done went from 24 hrs to 72 hrs to 7 days now,not sure what that is about. I always keep an ink pen and small cable zip ties in my pack. I call right after I kill and it is only a matter of a few mins. and it's all done. Very simple. For the record I do not shoot does on the farm here, we save them for the kids and take maybe 2 a year. My opinion is they should have less doe days than that for a few years but we have no say in it, so I will just have to live with it.

Alright, here it is. This is what I think.

1. We need the data to make educated decisions.
2. It is a step by step process implementing ALL of these programs, surveys or whatever you want to call them.
3. IMO districts could/should (may be, I am not state biologist) be managed by their staff of biologist and POSSIBLY have different recommendations/requirements

If the state tried to implement everything at once, all you goobers would die. Your heads would explode. That is why I believe we are starting here. You have to start somewhere and gathering data is the best place to start. The public has no idea what other data is being compiled at this time. Did you guys know about all the fetal studies being done so they could extend the season? Most people didn't. There is information being gathered behind the scenes so they can begin to develop a picture of what is actually going on. Yes, it may be a very broad view but once you have thousands of data points and can break them down by district, soil type, region, county and so on, it is beneficial. You can draw educated conclusions from that kind of data.

How about if we just stick to rules designed for conserving, protecting and increasing the various species of game we choose to conserve.

We've already proven all your pet rules are not necessary to do that. 1.8 million deer according to the estimate that Dr. Ditchkoff expressed his faith in. That's up from an estimated 3000 deer statewide when the DCNR was formed.

If you want to see a liberal, just look in the mirror.

There again, you are off base. Go back and reread where I could care less about any harvest restrictions. I just want the data.

Your QDM argument is void. Move along.

You know Night Hunter, I did hear something about them shooting deer to collect fetal studies. One of my buddies I graduated with is one of the ones pulling the trigger. We usually talk 2-3 times per week. His boss, the biologist, was the president of my hunting club until I took over my own lease. So yeah, I’m not lost here on what’s going on. Are they shooting every deer in the state to get their data or are they taking a sample? How will they ever be able to make educated decisions with only a sample?

You still didn’t answer my question…..Can I take the average weight of the deer killed in District 4 and use it to tell me how many deer to kill on my hunting lease? What about trends in total deer killed in the district….does that help me manage my hunting lease? Does fawn recruitment for the district tell me anything about my hunting lease? Tell me which one of these state of district averages is going to manage my land for me?

That's exactly what I am doing.

Liberals are liberals whether they are mandatory qdm advocates, democrats, republicans, tree huggers, or gun grabbers or even my old friend and hero Al Sharpton .

I call 'em like I see 'em.

Is your lease a cooperator in the DMAP?

I think it is obvious they are taking samples. That said, the sample size was significant enough and they saw clear evidence to make a decision on a relatively small area.

As far as D-4 goes. If they had the data like they are wanting then yes you could make some determinations on what to do on your lease. They could pull the Barbour county #'s and give you a pretty fair representation of what is going on.

The problem is all of you guys are looking at it at a site specific level and we are talking about at the landscape level. That is two totally different things. The biologists aren't going to take this data and give a paint brush approach management regime and then walk away and say "success, we've done it", they will still be there to make site specific recommendations.

It just isn't that hard guys. It you don't agree with it, I get that but to not understand when we've laid it all out there multiple time, I just don't get.

They aren't saying they are trying to manage your specific lease with their data collection. You know as well as I do there are clubs that manage and clubs that are still "brown it's down." Putting a measurement on that is important to the big picture.

I don't fit any of these and you can't say I do. I lease thousands of acres that have ZERO restrictions and dang sure don't fall into an of the other categories.

And I will say let's not resort to name calling, I'm not going to, so I'd rather you didn't.

NightHunter,

Our lease consists of approx. 6400 acres (10 sq. miles). Adjoining our lease is timberland that is being held in trust for a family that inherited the land that consists of at least as much acreage as our lease or more.

Our lease is a cooperating member of DMAP. The administrators of the land held in trust allow no hunting whatsoever. That means there is no wildlife management whatsoever on that land.

Why do you think it is the duty of the DCNR to mandate wildlife management rules for our land, while the land held in trust has no wildlife management required at all?

Do you think the administrators of the land held in trust should be required to implement wildlife management practices for the "good of the herd" philosophy on that land like it does on ours? Would it be consistent with our constitutional form of government to require them to do that?