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Dogs and Deer #66653
01/01/11 09:05 AM
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I have property in Colbert County that borders a club that runs dogs every day of the week. I stopped one of their members yesterday for being on the road trying to cut the dogs off????? The road is past their property line and they have no land holdings in this tract of land. I also saw their footprints on my property in the snow last week where they had walked trying to cut the dogs off. As I talked to the man, he told me the hunting had gone to pot in this area. I asked him how he expected the hunting to be good when they run dogs on it every day of the week. He replied it is the only way we can hunt the property being all pines. They hunt everyday running the same tract with dogs and expect to kill mature bucks. It just don't happen like that. I will be in attendance this summer when the Advisory Board meets to voice my opinion on dog hunting, or should I say road hunting! Just had to get this off my chest before I explode. I can't stand these trespassers and the wardens are never able to catch them on it, seems they have bigger fish to fry.


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Re: Dogs and Deer [Re: Teacher One] #66662
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When I got married and got our place 9 years ago it was the same here. A farmer and bunch of retired guy ran dogs everyday. I never saw a deer walking in the pasture for 5-6 years. They outlawed it 3-4 years ago and now we see deer everywhere. There are scrapes and rubs all in the woods. Saw 6 walking across the pasture the other morning. It makes a big difference. I honestly saw not 1 deer the first 5 years here.


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Re: Dogs and Deer [Re: Teacher One] #66676
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I can't stand these trespassers and the wardens are never able to catch them on it, seems they have bigger fish to fry.


Trespassing is usually handled by your county's sheriff and deputies if the trespasser has been warned and you have evidence to support your complaint or if they see it happening. Why not collect your evidence and try talking to him?

Hunting from the right of way of a road or shooting from or across it is against the law. The sheriff can help you there too if you have evidence to support your complaint or if he sees it happening.

Hunting every day of the season is not a violation of the law.

The lease I share consists of 6400 acres. We no longer have the choice to dog hunt in that part of Tuscaloosa County because of landowner complaints on the other side of the county from us.

We never had our day in court. No evidence was presented against us. We had no opportunity to confront the witnesses against us in court. In fact, we didn't even dog hunt.

Beware of placing your hunting rights in the hands of hand-picked bureaucrats. The day may come when you loose your right to stalk hunt even though you have done nothing wrong. You've already lost 98% of your opportunity to kill bucks each season. Were you to blame for that??


Re: Dogs and Deer [Re: Teacher One] #66679
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well I see where your coming from, because I enjoy both types of hunting, still and doggin, but don't let a few bad apples spoil it for everybody. When we run our deer dogs we just hunt on saterday except for a few holidays. The dogs we hunt consist of Jack russels, basset hounds and beagles. It is very rare that they get off of the property, we put standers out and when the dogs come by we catch them 95% of the time, and when we don't, we go get them with on the neighbors land, but now we try to help them and they try to help us. In my honest opinion the whole dog running and still hunting conflict is more about the people instead of the deer. There is ingnorant outlaws in both of the hunting partys. Anytime I have took on a club or got in a club I have always tried to meet or talk with the nieghboring club or land owner. Tried to find out there past problems with hunters and try to prevent the past and future problems. I have done anything from help fix fences, pull them out of ditch, help haul out deer, heck I've even had my wife to bake cakes and carry to them at Christmas. If people would try to be christians in all walks of life whether it be hunting, shopping, at work or where ever you are life would be so much simpler. Im not bashing either hunter, dog or still/stalk. Im just saying don't let a couple people ruin it for the whole county. I think the whole deer hunting world has about got out of hand any way. I know a few people that use to be good friends and now can't stand each other cause one don't hunt the same as the other. sorry if I hijacked your thread, but just thought I would put in my thin 2 cents


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Re: Dogs and Deer [Re: daniel white] #66966
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Yeah, trespassers are defintely not welcome. I kind of have a soft spot for dog hunters though, since they spend so much time hunting for their dogs grin .

I'd recommend discussing the issue with local law enforcement as opposed to Game and Fish enforcement. Your local duputies can do more to help you than anyone else- if they're willing.


Always remember that safety comes first. Then pull the trigger.
Re: Dogs and Deer [Re: Teacher One] #66975
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Hope I live to see the day that dog hunting is allowed on private property only, I hunt Talladega national forest- public land & cemetery mtn. is run to death with dogs, I dont even go there until after Jan. 15 when the dogs are gone, most dog hunters could not even hunt without dogs- IMO.

Re: Dogs and Deer [Re: bigbuck101] #66992
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x2 and only if the dogs know how to stay on their own property!


"After all, it is not the killing that brings satisfaction; it is the contest of skill and cunning. The true hunter counts his achievement in proportion to the effort involved and the fairness of the sport." Dr. Saxton Pope
Re: Dogs and Deer [Re: Fun4all] #67013
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Well the "fence" post was starting to fizzle. "Dogs" will throw some fuel on the fire! grin grin


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Re: Dogs and Deer [Re: BowtechDan] #67062
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High fences serve two good purposes that I can think of:

1. They serve as a legal warning to humans against trespassing.

2. They keep animals running a large off your property.

I just thought of another one:

3. Since the state has no obligation to furnish security guards for your property in the form of game wardens etc., a high fence reduces the need for hiring private security guards.

Re: Dogs and Deer [Re: Teacher One] #67092
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lol ,,, i don't see a problem other than them trespassing . if they run it every day that just means the push the deer else where . if they are catching the dogs on a public road then no law is broken unless they are hunting from the road .

hell i'd kill their deer when it came by me lol .

dogs running across my land has help me way more than it ever hurt . on Sat. and Sun. i'd listen to them across the creek (legal to hunt dogs on that side) and wait for the deer to get passed the standers . i'd set up on the escape routs through where i hunted and kill the deer , catch the dogs , take the dogs back and then thank them . thing is the deer they sent to me i would have never saw . lol

beats a boring ass day of seeing nothing .

Re: Dogs and Deer [Re: BowtechDan] #67111
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Dan,

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Don't forget to mention that fences allow lazy slobs the chance at putting a mount on the wall so they have a conversation piece to the "social-lites"


I didn't forget to mention it. I chose not to say something that ain't necessarily true.

Luscious green fields with shooting houses near them might also be said to allow lazy slobs the same chance, but that wasn't the drift of my post.

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The thread has been officially highjacked! grin Unless you are talking about running dogs in somebody else's fenced enclosure! thumbup


"After all, it is not the killing that brings satisfaction; it is the contest of skill and cunning. The true hunter counts his achievement in proportion to the effort involved and the fairness of the sport." Dr. Saxton Pope
Re: Dogs and Deer [Re: Teacher One] #67318
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I still hunt and dog hunt both in a club in colbert county. Most of the dog clubs that i know of in that county try to do the right thing. We alawys try to catch our dogs before they get across the line. Most people that think we are road hunting we aint are gun is unload and most of the time it is on gravel or dirt roads trying to catch the dogs before they do get across the property line. Most of the dog clubs in colbert county have been hunting like that for years but still hunters are coming in and leaseing land next to them our joining the club and trying to stop them.

Re: Dogs and Deer [Re: Teacher One] #67611
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I've hunted in Colbert Co. my entire life. My family's land is bordered almost completely by dog running clubs. Their dogs spend as much time on our property (and maybe more) than on their club. It has always been like this. Club members have trespassed "looking for their dogs" since I was a boy. Funny thing is, they spend so much time looking for their dogs, they even put up lock ons and ladder stands on my land.

This past Friday, I was excited to get a chance to hunt the rut. I got to my stand around 6:15. A young buck passed near me around 7:00, and I thought "This is going to be a good day." About 5 minutes later, I hear something trotting through the woods. It's approaching my stand directly from the way I walked in. About 75 yards out, I finally get a clear view of a beagle with an orange collar. The thing follows my footsteps all the way to my tree, looks up at me and whines, and then proceeds to curl up and nap for the next 1.5 hours. I made a verbal agreement with that dog that if a deer came in to my stand and he jumped up and ran it, he was a dead dog. I'm not sure he understood, but around 8:30 he jumped up and wandered off to join his companions.

Friday was typical. At any one time around 8-9 AM on a weekend, I can hear 3-4 DISTINCT dog races occurring on my property.

Re: Dogs and Deer [Re: 7MM-08] #67742
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[quote=7MM-08Their dogs spend as much time on our property (and maybe more) than on their club. It has always been like this........ Friday was typical. At any one time around 8-9 AM on a weekend, I can hear 3-4 DISTINCT dog races occurring on my property. [/quote]


You are exactly right. Most dog hunters (the good ones) want to know why we can't all get along (the bad ones don't even make an attempt, they just trespass). Our method of hunting has absolutely no impact on them, but their method of hunting can quickly and easily ruin a hunt for a neighboring hunter. Their dogs can run across my property and I am powerless to do anything about. If I've heard the dang "dogs can't read a property line" argument once, I've heard it a thousand times. If I were to step foot on their property and ruin their hunts, I could be ticketed for trespassing. How on earth is this right?

The State of Alabama needs to step forward into the 21st century on this issue and prohibit it altogether. Times were different 50 years ago when dog hunting was widely utilized. I see no reason to keep practicing it now. Please spare me the "all types of hunters should band together" argument. My type of hunting doesn't negatively affect them, all I want is the same in return.


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For whatever reason, this year has been the worst in recent memory. It's enough to drive a feller to buy a camo shovel.

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Yelp softly,

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The State of Alabama needs to step forward into the 21st century on this issue and prohibit it altogether. Times were different 50 years ago when dog hunting was widely utilized. I see no reason to keep practicing it now.


You need to step into the world of reality and realize that you are not dealing with a wildlife conservation problem. You are talking about domestic animals running at large and intrusions upon property by humans and domestic dogs... not in the DCNR's jurisdiction.

Have you filed any charges under the applicable laws that already exist or do you just want to have a legitimate method of hunting banned for the guilty and innocent alike instead??

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Permitting dogs to run at large; applicability of provisions of section in counties and certain cities or towns.

(a) Every person owning or having in charge any dog or dogs shall at all times confine such dog or dogs to the limits of his own premises or the premises on which such dog or dogs is or are regularly kept. Nothing in this section shall prevent the owner of any dog or dogs or other person or persons having such dog or dogs in his or their charge from allowing such dog or dogs to accompany such owner or other person or persons elsewhere than on the premises on which such dog or dogs is or are regularly kept. Any person violating this section shall be guilty of a misdemeanor and shall be fined not less than $2.00 nor more than $50.00.

(b) This section shall not apply to the running at large of any dog or dogs within the corporate limits of any city or town in this state that requires a license tag to be kept on dogs nor shall this section apply in any county in this state until the same has been adopted by the county commission of such county.

(Acts 1915, No. 185, p. 259; Code 1923, §3221; Code 1940, T. 3, §5.)


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Section 13A-7-4
Criminal trespass in the third degree.

(a) A person is guilty of criminal trespass in the third degree when he knowingly enters or remains unlawfully in or upon premises.

(b) Criminal trespass in the third degree is a violation.

(Acts 1977, No. 607, p. 812, §2607.)

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Dogs don't bother deer. Just an excuse for poor hunting.

And no, I don't dog deer hunt.


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You must be a greenhorn hunter if you think dogs dont bother deer- you surely must have never seen deer running for hours exhausted, well I have seen the effects from dogs in my 40 years of hunting.

Re: Dogs and Deer [Re: bigbuck101] #68610
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Well if the deer are tired from being chased don't you think the dogs are tired as well?????


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