Oakachoy,
TSS 4 wouldn't be a very good load for turkeys because of a lack of pellets but TSS 9's make an awesome turkey load for a .410. Don't let the little 9's fool you they will be plenty good to kill one out to 40 yards or so. Ridgestalker on this forum killed 4 or 5 turkeys I know with a single-shot .410 and TSS 9's this past spring. I picked up an old single-shot savage .410 like the one he has the other day and I'm gonna try to hunt with it some next spring.

There are enough people around loading it now that you would probably be able to get somebody to help you if you bought the shot, especially to help a kid.

Now I finally read something worthwhile on the turkey forum. Anybody loading any of those tss for a short chamber Judge? I gots to have some?

I'll load you a few if Hal can get me a 2 1/2" recipe. The only one I have now is 3". Might be better anyway if there were a few less shots with a little more velocity.

What size shot would be good? Anybody ever shot any in a Judge?

For personal defense I would have to think either 2's or 4's. I wish Hal was around so he could tell us what a TSS 2 would be equivalent to as lead shot. Probably be getting close to 000 or #4 buck if I had to guess.......... The general rule of thumb is to go up 5 sizes from TSS to lead to for similar penetration ability. (#9 TSS is the same as #4 lead, #8 TSS same as #3 lead, and so on)

One ounce of TSS #2 has 54 pellets, so you would probably be looking at 30-35 pellets in a .410 short. I would hate for somebody to shoot at me with that.

That's good news to him, he had a choice on a new bow or a 20 gauge and went with the bow. He loves some .410 single shot, so who wants to help a man out? I'm buying from someone if possible. Can you buy these loads from an outfit if nobody wants to load them for me?

2Dogs I've never actually seen any 2's in person but the TSS 4's are so heavy and dense that you can actually "feel" the weight of each individual pellet in your hand......... I would just about bet money that the 4's would shoot right thru a man at pistol range, especially if you could get them coming out the muzzle around 1200fps or so.


......hard to believe that's almost $100 laying there in that little sandwich bag but the stuff is worth it no doubt.

Regarding weight, you wouldn't believe how heavy a 3" 20ga shell loaded with just 1 5/8 oz TSS #8's feels.

4s or 6s either one would probably be plenty nasty. The added weight would extend the range some. If that guy that the motor cycle thugs jumped in NYC had a Judge with some of those little babies, he'd have made a mess out of them.

#2 TSS at 1200 fps will give you 1.25" ball. gel. penetration at 237 yds.

#4buck lead will give you 1.25" at 228 yds.

But in real life, on hard material like bone, there is a bigger difference than what the math says. That's because the math doesn't take the hardness into account. For example, the math says that 00 Buck in lead at 1200 fps has 30+% more penetration energy than #1 TSS. But when a traffic sign is (legally) shot with both, the #1 TSS will punch through at about a 10% higher rate. So, you can always count on TSS penetrating deeper vs. lead than the ballistic gel math says it will.

If someone wants to shoot TSS in a .410 at turkeys, the way to go is to use #9s, or better yet, 9-1/2s. If you get a pattern that is typical of what most longer barreled full choke guns get, the 9-1/2s will give you bonafide 45 yd range with my 13/16 oz load. No joke.

That's unreal..... I love technology sometimes

Dang! Lumpy aka L. Thompson needs some of those in a 3.5 inch 12 ga load

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